--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > on 11/21/05 8:48 PM, shempmcgurk at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I for one have at least one expectation: when > > enlightened I don't > > > want to feel shitty. > > > > What if you get the flu, or cancer? > > Before enlightenment, flu, cancer, feeling shitty. > After enlightenment, flu, cancer, feeling shitty. But > it's not the same at all. Prior to enlightenment there > is "you" located within a vast matrix of time and > space. After enlightenment that prior vast matrix of > time and space is a tiny blip of thought inside a > "non-you" that has no limit. To even say it has no > limits sounds so stupid. Like saying water is > "not-dry". What the time and space are (flu, cancer, > feeling shitty...bliss, celestial perception) don't > mean anything. > > P.S. Judy, please stop lying about your ignorance. ;-) > **** Different people describe similar or almost similar inner states by quite different words. A permanent shift in my awareness happened, when I was 16. I have never called it enlightenment. At 16 and for many years after it I hadn't even heard of the eastern enlightenment concept. I have a feeling that the awareness that dr. Pete is trying to describe here is rather similar to that stage of awareness through which this instrument started permanently to operate with after that shift. Only I describe it somewhat differently. My description is less sexy, and there is an "I".
Here is the description: The identification of the "I" to an image or idea of oneself stopped. After that there was no "I" to look at any more. But an "I" as a witness, also as someone who is aware and learning, continued to exist, even more than before. Also there was much less identification with thoughts and emotions. Thoughts and emotions were there as before, but they couldn't anymore disturb you. The "I" just witnesses their dance and play while it is anchored in the infinity. This capacity to witness and be in a non-judgemental way aware of one's thoughts and emotions enhances a lot one's capacity to transform and heal oneself. Irmeli ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
