Hey, thanks for the clarification. I get what you are saying about Barry being "normal, with normal people".
It's just that I take issue with it. Let me unpack it a little. At some point you realize that anything you do, or say, is not going to have any effect on anothers point of view here. That, in itself, is a little liberating. But, I think most here come to that realization pretty early. So, in this regard, I think I've been able to ween myself off the "mental heroin" to whatever degree I may have been addicted. But, I hope you understand that people do have a tendency to react to what they feel are misrepresentations, even if, the person, (they think, at least) doing the misrepresenting, will frame it as the the person being misrepresented is just afraid of facing the truth. That does get tiresome after a while (-: ---In [email protected], <anartaxius@...> wrote : I did not say you had any faults, I am just saying that what is true or untrue about a situation has a lot to do with what our minds conjure up when the situation unfolds, maybe everything to do with it. ---In [email protected], <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Thank you, anartaxius for enumerating some of my many faults, and attempting to make me see the light. I will take your suggestions under advisement. ---In [email protected], <anartaxius@...> wrote : Barry only does this with true believers. He is normal with normal people. Otherwise, he is a pusher. He is feeding you mental heroin, and you have become addicted. He is waiting on the street corner with another dose, with another hit. And until you show a spark of insight into the situation you are in, all you will accept is another hit, rather than the insight that lies hidden beneath it. You are focused on what Barry is doing, not what you are doing. ---In [email protected], <steve.sundur@...> wrote : it also appears Barry has taken his self appointed "retraining" mission to new heights. but the interesting tell, is that the good doctor never seems to recognize that he could benefit immensely from the same medicine he constantly prescribes to all others. ---In [email protected], <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Feste, what you say makes perfect sense to any sort of mature individual. We all recognize that free speech is an inviolable part of democratic societies. It is also a privilege really. But if some use that right to endlessly insult others in the most crude fashion, then because it is, and has always been a crazy world, at some point, someone is coming to become unhinged and lash out, possibly in the worst possible way. And, if one has themself, a mindset of constantly pushing other people's buttons to get reactions, then they become numbed to a certain sensitivity that is the social lubricant of peaceful coexistence of differing views. They would maintain, "I have the right to dump on you, and your beliefs and I will continue to do so because it is my right, and if you don't like, then that is just too bad" To try to frame it in another way, is just a weak misdirection. ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : If you deliberately go around provoking people, you shouldn’t be surprised if eventually they lash out at you. If I am a rich man and I decide to walk in a low-income, high-crime area with hundred-dollar bills attached to my clothing, I will likely get robbed. The thieves are wrong to commit robbery, but I must also bear some responsibility for acting stupidly, since I know how much money means to people and what they may do to get it. This is not blaming the victim but applying common sense and acting accordingly. Otherwise I put myself at risk as well as innocent others. ---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote : From: feste37 <[email protected]> I see no reason to alter what I wrote. Insults from you are to be expected. After all, that’s what you do, isn’t it? Two years ago, the French government condemned the cartoons as needlessly provocative. See French magazine sparks another controversy over Mohammed cartoons http://rt.com/news/france-mohammed-muslim-cartoon-224/. I am not saying the magazine should be prevented from publishing them; only that to do so was ill-advised. No problemo, feste. Thanks for clarifying your position. I assume you also feel that women who are raped were ill-advised to wear clothes that make them look like women, and that black people shot by the police while just walking down the street were ill-advised to not bleach their skins to look white. You're riding the "Blame the victim" bus. Now it all makes sense. http://rt.com/news/france-mohammed-muslim-cartoon-224/ French magazine sparks another controversy over ... http://rt.com/news/france-mohammed-muslim-cartoon-224/ A French satire magazine has published a special issue containing cartoons on the life of Islam’s Prophet Mohammed. Similar images, which are deemed blasphemo... View on rt.com http://rt.com/news/france-mohammed-muslim-cartoon-224/ Preview by Yahoo ---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote : From: feste37 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims don't like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that insult the prophet. It only brings negative results, as we have seen. I simply cannot believe that someone on this forum is dumb enough to believe this, feste. You are in effect saying, "Lampooning the beliefs of people who have threatened to kill us if we lampoon their ideas is a bad idea, because they might kill us." An attitude like yours essentially ALLOWS these people stuck in the Middle Ages to dictate to the world how they should act. The people making these threats are terrorists. The people submitting to them are perpetuating terrorism. "The prophet" was just a man, as was almost every other spiritual figure in history (unless they were women). People should just get over their fantasies about these men and women. These are the cartoons this magazine published: The Controversial Cartoons That Are Said To Have Inspired The Terrorist Attack Against Charlie Hebdo http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/01/07/3608780/charlie-hebdo/. “In 2012, the magazine included multiple caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad in which he appeared naked; one was called “Mohammad: a star is born,” and showed a man bent over so his beard was the only thing covering the lower half of his body. The cover depicted Mohammad in a wheelchair being pushed by an Orthodox Jew.” I wouldn’t have advised this magazine to publish any of these, and indeed the French government advised the same. You have to remember that in Islam the prophet is not depicted. It is considered sacrilegious to do so (see the article). No good will come from it. It is just being offensive for the sake of it. http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/01/07/3608780/charlie-hebdo/ The Controversial Cartoons That Are Said To Have Inspi... http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/01/07/3608780/charlie-hebdo/ At least 12 were killed in a terrorist attack on the magazine's offices today. View on thinkprogress.org http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/01/07/3608780/charlie-hebdo/ Preview by Yahoo ---In [email protected], <s3raphita@...> wrote : ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : Ah, the bravery of the liberals who think they have a perfect right to insult anyone's cherished beliefs just because they want to. Brave for sure. They just paid with their lives. Generally speaking, it's not a good idea to insult other people's religion. They don't like it and it is not helpful to the situation. You should have learned that in grade school. Lampooning others' beliefs is a time-honoured tradition in the West. ---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote : From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> & (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
