It's not all that clear, Share, how a thought could cause a physical object to change or move about. If we could use thought to cause change at will we could levitate up off of a sofa a few inches or fly up to the side of a mountain.
Also, if karma works on the mental level we would all be condemned for thinking bad thoughts. If karma works on the physical level we are all doomed for causing harm to plants and animals since we consume them every day. If karma really works and is based on our mental thoughts we would all go to hell for swatting a fly or stepping on an ant not to mention working on a farm or garden. All of these notions have already been discounted by the scientists on this group. Now it's beginning to look like they are in cognitive dissonance. believing in science and the karma theory, both at the same time. ---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote : thanks,turq, one of the best ie clearest explanations of karma I've read. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shirley MacLaine on the Holocaust There are, however, far more interesting ways to interpret the workings of karma. For example, my favorite -- partly because it does not require any kind of arbiter or "enforcer" to run it, just an automatic mechanism -- is that the effects of karma are not physical but mental. That is, karma is not the simplistic stuff that many people believe in (kill someone and you'll be killed), but actually far more simple (and thus effective) than that. Kill someone and *your state of attention drops to a lower and duller level*. Or, alternatively, do something nice for someone else and your state of attention rises to a higher and more intelligent/creative level. That's the only mechanism that would have to be in place for karma to work. Those whose past actions have resulted in a lower, duller mindstate would find themselves repeating the same types of actions that created that lower, duller mindstate. Those whose past actions have resulted in a higher, clearer mindstate would be drawn more to actions that would perpetuate and encourage their higher, clearer mindstate. And at any point one can *change* one's proclivities by simply changing one's actions, so there is no such thing as permanent karma or karma one cannot escape. From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> This is pretty much a standard way karma is interpreted. ---In [email protected], <s3raphita@...> wrote : She's barking mad of course. But isn't what she is saying more or less what belief in karma actually entails? ---In [email protected], <noozguru@...> wrote : Outrage as Shirley MacLaine asks: Were Holocaust victims paying for sins in past lives? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951513/Outcry-Shirley-MacLaine-asks-Holocaust-victims-paying-sins-past-lives-Comments-attacked-offensive-wrong-Jewish-campaigners.html
