And those *jackasses* were correct. Unfortunately, slavery was a legal
institution written into the United States Constitution. Slaves were considered
property. Today, your personal bank accounts could be *liberated* via the
internet and if the feds did nothing about it or were involved in it...WTF! One
could justify that your personal money was needed to help the poor, retire the
national debt and it was your moral obligation to forfeit it. We have laws to
protect rights , life and property. If the law is out dated, you change it
through the legal process, even if that means changing the constitution.< I'm
unfamiliar with SC's specific declaration but I doubt it was just one issue as
you do write, Declaration of the Immediate Causes, causes being plural. you
might read the Declaration of Independence. The first paragraph states it
clearly. I'm paraphrasing, When in the course of human events it becomes
necessary for one people to dissolve the bands that connect them with another
let them list their grievances... yada yada yada. This is exactly what the
southern states did. Right or wrong, it was constitutional. Abraham Lincoln
violated the constitution repeatedly from beginning to end. Secession was never
brought before the Supreme Court because the court would have ruled it legal.
Jefferson Davis was never put on trial for treason because had his case gone to
the Supreme Court, the court would have ruled in his favor.< The issue of
slavery could have been dealt with in a much better way. One that was not
emotional, which lead to the war. The Constitution would have needed amending
and slave owners fairly compensated. This approach would have, or at least
probably would have, prevented a costly war,lost lives and fortunes not to
mention the resentment that lead to Jim Crow laws, segregation and the way
former slaves were treated. Race relations would be in a totally different
place today.< So yes, there were jackasses but they were on both sides.
From: "Michael Jackson [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
Actually, the jackasses in SC claimed that what the federal guv'ment was
doing was unconstitutional and what other states (Yankee states) were doing was
also unconstitutional because these states were violating Article Four of the
US Constitution
which required that slaves that had escaped to other states must be returned to
their owners in the states they had escaped from. The Northern states were not
complying, ergo they had violated the agreement that had formed the Union, thus
the original states had the right to leave the union since other states were
not compliant with all article of the agreement. This was the specific reason
stated for secession in South Carolina's Declaration of the Immediate Causes
Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal
Union.
From: "Mike Dixon [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
What you're suggesting was pretty close to what the founding fathers
intended in the first place. Each state was it's own master. They, the state
governments, knew what was best for their own people and what their people
wanted. The feds were there to protect the rights of those states to be
independent of one another. By the 1860s, the whole thing flip flopped. The
states were there to support the federal government in their dominion over the
individual states.
From: "Bhairitu [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
Not quite. That was based on something else. This division makes sense
because each region has it's own specific geographical needs that can be
governed appropriately. But I'm not holding my breathe. Of course it could
come out of a complete economic collapse but more likely the rich will want to
commit suicide with a global war.
I'm just waiting for the other foot to fall.
On 02/23/2015 06:26 PM, Michael Jackson [email protected] [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Yeahhhh, we tried something like that here in South Carolina in 1860 -
didn't work out too well.
From: "Bhairitu [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
Break it up into the "Nine Nations of North America". I've been an
advocate of this ever since the book came out in 1981. It's based on the way
the American Indians looked at the country by geographical distinctions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Nations_of_North_America
But the rich will cry because we'll be taking their toys away from them.
On 02/23/2015 05:16 PM, [email protected] [FairfieldLife] wrote:
"Because the Constitution does not enumerate a congressional
territorial-acquisition power, Congress therefore disregarded great-powers
limitations in annexing Texas and Hawaii through joint resolution."
The unconstitutionality of the annexation of Texas and Hawaii
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/02/22/great-powers-and-the-unconstitutionality-of-the-annexation-of-texas-and-hawaii/
---In [email protected], <jr_esq@...> wrote :
At least, Ron Paul thinks so. This could be the quick solution to eliminate
the trillions of dollars in national debt. But somebody is going to lose out.
My gut feeling is: it would still be us.
Ron Paul: U.S. secession is already 'happening'
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