That was an issue. It went through all northern states, no southern states and
was being paid for with taxes collected from southern states. The South looked
upon themselves as colonies of the North.
From: "Bhairitu [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
What really happened was the Transcontinental Railroad which needed a
strong federal government for it to be accomplished. Which meant that some
states rights had to go away. Of course it was the rich who wanted the
railroad.
On 02/24/2015 08:35 AM, Michael Jackson [email protected] [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Nope, it was just one issue - here is the full text:
Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate
Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the
Federal Union
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From: "Mike Dixon [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
And those *jackasses* were correct. Unfortunately, slavery was a
legal institution written into the United States Constitution. Slaves were
considered property. Today, your personal bank accounts could be *liberated*
via the internet and if the feds did nothing about it or were involved in
it...WTF! One could justify that your personal money was needed to help the
poor, retire the national debt and it was your moral obligation to forfeit it.
We have laws to protect rights , life and property. If the law is out dated,
you change it through the legal process, even if that means changing the
constitution.< I'm unfamiliar with SC's specific declaration but I doubt it
was just one issue as you do write, Declaration of the Immediate Causes,
causes being plural. you might read the Declaration of Independence. The first
paragraph states it clearly. I'm paraphrasing, When in the course of human
events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the bands that connect
them with another let them list their grievances... yada yada yada. This is
exactly what the southern states did. Right or wrong, it was constitutional.
Abraham Lincoln violated the constitution repeatedly from beginning to end.
Secession was never brought before the Supreme Court because the court would
have ruled it legal. Jefferson Davis was never put on trial for treason because
had his case gone to the Supreme Court, the court would have ruled in his
favor.< The issue of slavery could have been dealt with in a much better way.
One that was not emotional, which lead to the war. The Constitution would have
needed amending and slave owners fairly compensated. This approach would have,
or at least probably would have, prevented a costly war,lost lives and
fortunes not to mention the resentment that lead to Jim Crow laws, segregation
and the way former slaves were treated. Race relations would be in a totally
different place today.< So yes, there were jackasses but they were on both
sides.
From: "Michael Jackson [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
Actually, the jackasses in SC claimed that what the federal guv'ment
was doing was unconstitutional and what other states (Yankee states) were
doing was also unconstitutional because these states were violating Article
Four of the US Constitution
which required that slaves that had escaped to other states must be returned
to their owners in the states they had escaped from. The Northern states were
not complying, ergo they had violated the agreement that had formed the
Union, thus the original states had the right to leave the union since other
states were not compliant with all article of the agreement. This was the
specific reason stated for secession in South Carolina's Declaration of the
Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from
the Federal Union.
From: "Mike Dixon [email protected]
[FairfieldLife]"<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
What you're suggesting was pretty close to what the founding
fathers intended in the first place. Each state was it's own master. They,
the state governments, knew what was best for their own people and what their
people wanted. The feds were there to protect the rights of those states to be
independent of one another. By the 1860s, the whole thing flip flopped. The
states were there to support the federal government in their dominion over
the individual states.
From: "Bhairitu [email protected]
[FairfieldLife]"<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
Not quite. That was based on something else. This division makes
sense because each region has it's own specific geographical needs that can
be governed appropriately. But I'm not holding my breathe. Of course it
could come out of a complete economic collapse but more likely the rich will
want to commit suicide with a global war.
I'm just waiting for the other foot to fall.
On 02/23/2015 06:26 PM, Michael Jackson [email protected] [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Yeahhhh, we tried something like that here in South Carolina in 1860 -
didn't work out too well.
From: "Bhairitu [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Secession is Happening
Break it up into the "Nine Nations of North America". I've been an
advocate of this ever since the book came out in 1981. It's based on the way
the American Indians looked at the country by geographical distinctions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Nations_of_North_America
But the rich will cry because we'll be taking their toys away from them.
On 02/23/2015 05:16 PM, [email protected] [FairfieldLife] wrote:
"Because the Constitution does not enumerate a congressional
territorial-acquisition power, Congress therefore disregarded great-powers
limitations in annexing Texas and Hawaii through joint resolution."
The unconstitutionality of the annexation of Texas and Hawaii
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/02/22/great-powers-and-the-unconstitutionality-of-the-annexation-of-texas-and-hawaii/
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At least, Ron Paul thinks so. This could be the quick solution to
eliminate the trillions of dollars in national debt. But somebody is going to
lose out. My gut feeling is: it would still be us.
Ron Paul: U.S. secession is already 'happening'
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