--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > > Hey, Judy and I drank the TM koolaid years ago. Speaking   
> > > > for her (an unwise thing to do, I'll agree), its not in our 
> > > > worldview that this kind of discourse has ANY real value, 
> > > > compared to just meditating and 
> > > > living life.
> > >
> > > If that is what you think, which is the feeling one gets from
> > > reading your endless pointless blather, why do you bother 
> > > polluting this place 
> > > with your inane diahrrea-like comments.
> > 
> > I find that contributing to this forum has the effect of  
> > spiritual constipation...
> 
> I would say that it has the effect of *pointing 
> out* the pre-existence of spiritual constipation. 
> This...uh...blockage is caused by, as you perceived,
> drinking the TM Koolaid, which is intended to con-
> vince you that you already know everything that is
> worth knowing. Encountering those who are still open
> to learning something is a lot like a person who 
> hasn't had a good shit in years encountering a 
> bunch of...uh...regular folks. It's disconcerting.
> 
> My recommendation? Take two Certainty-Lax and call
> us in the morning.  :-)

BTW, this is not nearly as facetious as it sounds.
I once got to attend a talk by a Tibetan rinpoche
who is revered as one of the great living masters
of Tibetan Buddhism. People had flown for thousands
of miles to attend, because he doesn't do that many
public teachings. They were all there in a church in
Santa Fe, ready to have him help to dispel their
confusion about life, the spiritual path, and
everything.

Little did they know that almost the entire subject
of his teaching that day *was* confusion, and how
we should treasure it. Summarizing, he said that
confusion in a long-term spiritual seeker was a good
thing; it indicated progress. Whereas a sense of
certainty tended to indicate stasis, complacency,
and a lack of spiritual progress.

Confusion in an established spiritual seeker usually
indicates a state of *cognitive dissonance*.  That
is, you've encountered things in real life that don't
quite fit into the neat little boxes you've created
for how things "should" work in real life. In this
teacher's opinion, one should *embrace* cognitive
dissonance rather than react to it with aversion.
To do so is to embrace life, as opposed to one's
ideas about life.

I tend to agree. The more you think you know about
enlightenment and the spiritual path, the less you
probably really know. IMO, of course.







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