It's a Potemkin village all the way down, Steve. Quoting "[email protected] [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]>:
> Look Aryavazhi, > > It's not problem if you have some inherent desire to argue. The > fact that you so desperately wish to point out difference that don't > exist, says a lot. > > > Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. > > > Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. > > > Culturally, there is great similiarly in what we like in terms of > music and artisitic expressions. > > > You just have a burr in your butt, because of, I don't know what, > nor do I care. > > > If you hitched your wagon to the wrong star long ago, you seem to > repeating the same mistake here. > > > Let's face it. > > > All the negative attributes to ascribe to me, you accept in, say > Barry, because you like him. > > > But you are too > > > ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : > > > ---In [email protected], <steve.sundur@...> wrote : > > Here you have people, who for the most part have similar beliefs, > politically, culturally, spiritually, > > You are dead wrong. We are not all 'similar' in our beliefs, instead > everyone is actually very different - both, in experience and > understanding. If you don't understand this, it indeed explains, why > you are so upset. > > > Look Aryavazhi, > > It's not my problem if you feel some need to be argumentative. > > > The fact that you so desperately need to point out differences that > don't exist, says a lot. > > > Most everyone here has an interest in spiritual development. > > > Sure, we go in divergent directions from there, but that is the > umbrella under which we have discourse. > > > Among most here is a liberal, or libertarian bias. > > > Culturally, there is great similarly in what we like in terms of > music and artistic expressions. > > > That's seems obvious to me, but perhaps not to you. > > > > > Many of us have earned their changes in beliefs the hard way, some > more hard, some less hard, it takes years, sometimes half of one's > life to change the way we understand the world. If you could accept > this, you would be ranting less, and you wouldn't find a need for > continuous ad hominems, because your posts are hardly ever more. > Content 0 > > > The fact of the matter is, all the negative points you call me out > on, you accept, in say, Barry, because you like him, or agree with > his points of view. > > > Barry pushes his anti cult agenda unabashedly. > > > I find that he often misrepresents other peoples opinions and > relies on straw man arguments. > > > I call him out on that, but you see those posts of mine as ad > hominems, and everything he does as on target. > > > I guess we just have a difference of opinion. > > > > The truth is: how can TMers ever hope to create world peace, if they > cannot even understand those who once followed them? It seems you > can only live peacefully with people of your own ilk. If there is > some little deviation, you are immediately at war, and start to > demonize your opponents. How many of you believe, that Turq. or MJ > is some kind of demonic figure, who represents the evil forces that > want to stop the progress of TM? Of the TB TMers, I am sure there > are many. > > > Again, it apparently serves your purposes to jump to conclusions. > > > There is no doubt that Michael Jackson is heavily invested in > seeing the demise of the TMO. But the fact of the matter is that he > raises many good points. He does, in my opinion, choose to filter > out anything that does not jibe with his narrative, but that's his > business. I can't help but like him. > > > > I liked Barry for many years, but there comes a point when the > misrepresentations, the straw man set ups, the downright meanness > became too much for me. > > > And really I think this is the experience a lot of people have with > him. But I'd say they choose to leave quietly rather than have an > uncomfortable falling out. > > > But hey, if you find him to be a stand up kind of guy, great. > > > > and yet after a decent interval of tolerant discourse, it has become toxic, > > Look at it like this: Somebodies poison is somebody else's medicine. > It simply depends on your perspective > > > Exactly, just what I am saying. You single me out as a villain > because you don't like my opinions. > > and one group blames the other for its demise. > > I think only you blame FFL for the demise, here people are actually > happy that you left, well if you really would have left. > > > Yes, as I've said, I don't mind the bland, repetitive posts > castigating all the usual subjects. > > > You may notice, I don't respond to the stuff MJ posts. > > > I generally don't even respond to Barry's posts. > > > But when I find that he's saying one thing, and doing another, or > misrepresenting something, then I do speak up. > > > It looks like he's down to two or three friends here, so maybe that > says something as well. > > > And what, are there five or six regular posters in the whole lot of > subscribers?
