Doug, if I may pull a Judy on you, I said that (in slightly different words)
the changes that occur in society seem to not turn out the way the drivers of
change intended. I did not use the word 'millenarians' because most who have
been the fount of ideas for change seldom used a 1,000 year cycle as their goal
post. Millenarians are just a small subset of all those who desire and imagine
change. For example, Lyndon Johnson's 'Great Society' had much more immediate
goals, as did the 'New Deal' of Roosevelt. Many of the programs set up in the
'New Deal' and in the 'Great Society' appear to be leading to a profound fiscal
crisis for the United States, as is now happening in Greece, where government
programs there have resulted in a situation where they can only be maintained
by borrowing money from other countries, but there is a limit on how long that
is viable. It seems almost certain now that Greece will be forced out of the
European Union as a result and be forced to print their own currency, which
will then devalue rather rapidly for a while. This kind of ostentatious
'millenarial' thinking tends to lead to disaster in the longer run.
Sometimes I think millinarians develop because their immediate goals, such as
'to develop the full potential of the individual; improve governmental
achievements; realize the highest ideal of education; eliminate the problems of
crime and all behaviour that brings unhappiness to the family of man; maximize
the intelligent use of the environment; bring fulfilment to the economic
aspirations of individuals and society; and achieve the spiritual goals of
mankind in this generation', failed to happen and so they let the fulfilment
day slide off into the future a bit, and then a bit more, and then quite a bit
more.
Early Christians expected the return of Christ rather immediately, but now that
date has slide off the scales at about 2,000 years, and it keeps slipping.
Millenarians are incompetent time keepers, because they are out of touch with
reality even more than the average Joe who has more immediate goals within
his/her lifetime.
From: "[email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Culture of Organizational Groups/Sociology
Anartaxiussays here that millenarians, 'they seem to never take the
directionand form intended'. Never? It could be well argued that these
fourmillenarians created broad and lasting cultural changes, forinstance. It is
informative in an examination of organizations andtheir sociology to look at
how in leadership they went about doingit, by contrast.
---In [email protected], <anartaxius@...> wrote :
Yes, Doug, but transformations occur in society almost as a matter of course,
but they never seem to take the direction and character that those who believed
there was an upcoming transition would have it. So having a belief, which is a
pretence to knowledge, one's imagination of what might be or is, is simply a
superfluous mental attitude that traps the mind in a particular rut while the
world goes on its merry way. Obviously these beliefs, even if they are wrong
which they tend to be, do have an influence on the progress of change because
they alter a person's behaviour, but the underlying forces of change are not
concerned with imagination.
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Mao, Maharishi with his 'Ideal Society', even LBj with his 'Great Society',
also Roosevelt and the 'New Deal' by effect in culture were the larger
'revolutionary millenarians' of the last Century with their leadership towards
creating 'Heavens on Earth'. As a study I find it informative to look at their
speeches for the language that activated people and brought people along in
revolution, by contrast with a TM movement of this Century which in its own
character of leadership has been unable and in decline for 40 years. The
contrast around 'inclusiveness' is stark.
Millenarianism (also millenarism)is the belief by a religious, social, or
political group or movementin a coming major transformation of society, after
which all thingswill be changed. Millennialism [by contrast] isa specific
form of millenarianism based on a one-thousand-year cycle,which many sects of
different religions believe. AChaney, Princeton.edu
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Millenarianism.html
Revolutionary as an adjective, the term revolutionary refers to something that
has amajor, sudden impact on society or on some aspect of human
endeavor.Dictionary.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
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---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Thanks, you raise really interesting points. Buck spent considerable time
looking for form of leadership in inspirational speeches by finding historic
famous speeches of historical famous leadership rallying moments. In
experiment then transposing them over to try to stem the breech in Dome
numbers, you will find those throughout Buck's many contributions to FFL:
Washington, Frederick, King Richard, Asad, Chamberlain and others.
No, Buck never did Adolf as Adolf is way too loaded to have much of a
conversation about. Though that passage in that in the band of brothers movie
given by the German general to his surrendering troops Buck did use at a point
with good effect against the haters.
You hit upon a distracting problem though where people may miss the import of
how leadership is done whence there is attribution given. People get easily
distracted by attribution, like you did with the Mao attribution. The
quotations themselves are real interesting to look at if separated from his
name. Yes, he was a miserable administrator and made errors in decisions of
governance like some other famous millenarian revolutionaries of the 20th
Century we know. But as a revolutionary at a time he was effective in the 20th
Century. The Little Red Book is interesting to look at for its study in
leadership. It is relevant still in the 21st Century.
Your last point about transparency given the nature and speed of data in the
internet world is absolutely right. Survival for any group in the modern world
is going to be readily marked against ethical behavior. There is no hiding bad
behavior.. that is a lot of the wrangling going on now within TM.. how to
proceed. -JaiGuruYou
---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote :
The Little Red Book? Looking at leadership qualities a while ago I got to
wondering about Mao's voice of leadership in their revolution and sat down and
read his 'quotations', the little red book. I was wondering 'how' he did it? It
is quite a tight organizational prompting and type of capable leadership.
Seemed something that our own movement has been missing for quite a few years.
In process I did a mash-up of “Mao in to TM” to see how it sounded.
"Showing it around to local folks here,if they are not first prejudiced by
knowing the quotations come from Mao, theygenerally recognize it as effective
leadership that we do not haveand could wish for in our own movement
organization."
Did you ever have the same idea about 'Mein Kampf' of Adolf Hitler?
About Mao: His policies caused the deaths of tens of millions of people during
his27-year reign, more than any other Twentieth Century leader...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#Legacy
Maybe at the time of Mao it was possible to clue people together by a single
book, and to mass control peoples thoughts. This time is over now, with the
advent of the Internet transparency has increased so much, that it will be hard
to control people in the same way. Finally, the TMO has to come to realize this
too, all the TM secrets are written down in the Internet. Deal with it.
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