--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Tom B.: > > On Dec 2, 2005, at 3:03 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
Paul McCartney SAID: "And he gave us his book, the great wise man, gave us his book, because he was one of the ones that wasn't a fake. There were a lot of them around that time who were into Rolls Royces and chicks. And he wasn't one of them." Is that echoing annoyingly in your ears Vaj? ..... "the great wise man", "the great wise man", "the great wise man", "the great wise man", "the great wise man", "the great wise man", "the great wise man"...... Or is this that is grating to your brain.... "who were into Rolls Royces and chicks. And he wasn't one of them." "who were into Rolls Royces and chicks. And he wasn't one of them." "who were into Rolls Royces and chicks. And he wasn't one of them." "who were into Rolls Royces and chicks. And he wasn't one of them." "who were into Rolls Royces and chicks. And he wasn't one of them." "who were into Rolls Royces and chicks. And he wasn't one of them." "who were into Rolls Royces and chicks. And he wasn't one of them." "who were into Rolls Royces and chicks. And he wasn't one of them." > > There are few statements so respectful and admiring in this day and > > age about gurus. > > Well, I think you are exaggerating. >>> Then find another one. As Judy pointed out, McCartney was not asked to elaborate or even asked about TM or Maharishi. He gave all this something he really wanted to say. Now go and find another statement of respect and reverence about a guru from someone who followed the guru in the 1960's and is still visiting their guru in the 21st century. You won't be able to find one, because there are very few for whom the teachings are as consistently effective over many decades. McCartney, Harrison (who VISTED VLODROP in the late 1990's), and Starr (who still practices TM), all learned TM in their 20's. McCartney is now , what?, in his sixties? Find a statement from someone who is still visiting his guru in the 21st century and who followed him/her in the 1960's and who still speaks with respect and love for the guru. You are just showing extreme jealousy about the statements the beatles made , here Vaj, and that leads to prejudice and lack of objectivity, which in turn stifles your own evolution. <<I originally merely proposed that > this over adulation on the Beatles could be typical movement > disinformation. >>> Bullshit.....it is ALWAYS spurred on FFL by people like you that try to put words in people's mouths (in this case the Beatles) and create false stories based on nothing but hot and noxious air. <<<Having just finished reading McCartney's biography-- > the chapter entitled "Maharishi"--I think my initial impressions were good. P. was aware of only one of Mahesh's indiscretions from what he says. >>> Has anyone ever told you that a biography is not an autobiography. <<He does not appear to have any knowledge of any of the other TMO scandals or the more spiritually incestual aspect. >> No wonder he hasn't heard of them, they are based on nothing but hot and noxious gases. <<<He does not > appear to be a regular meditator, but merely someone who uses it for "centering". >>> Who cares. <<<He does feel the TMSP seemed to be a scam. His bio quotes him on asking M. specifically about levitation and M. admits he does not practice it. McCartney did not want to learn the TMSP and > thought it was overpriced (price gouging). >>> Who cares. He is objective enough to still respect and go and visit Maharishi as a guru and friend, just like Harrison did in the late 90's. <<He was also very suspicious of M. when he found out the "holy man" had an accountant.>>> How dumb is that. > > Overall I think PM is a very optimistic, upbeat person and that > optimism shines through in all of his relations. He is very clear in his bio to point out that M. was not enlightened, merely a meditation teacher and that is how he relates to him and sees him. << Also, on a > more positive note, he also tells his kids that they too should > receive mantras in case they ever feel the desire to meditate when > they are "alone on a hill." > > But the really the person of interest, when sizing up the Beatles > acceptance of TM as a technology is GH. Clearly he found it lacking.>>> George Harrison visited Vlodrop in the late 90's. Many here who have zero interest in supporting any such claim have attested to this, and you have chosen to ignore them. You know it is true, you just can't abide the thought because it goes against your agenda. > > Now before you go off on another rant, this is not to say that these > people dislike M. intensely or anything like that. He's just a > meditation teacher it would seem and they hold no grudges for the > most part, another good thing.>>>> I don't think anyone ever disputed that McCartney likes Maharishi, likes TM, and likes everything he learned, but does not think of him as God.....which is what Maharishi has been trying to teach everyone...to not worship him. It is only you that has made up the idea that people think McCartney is a big time TM advocate. He is more interesting than that because he still respects it and practices it, but has no allegience to it, or need to follow it for any other reason than he likes it. What better testimony than that? McCartney: "But when -- years ago, when we studied meditation with the Maharishi in India, we had a real good time, and I always felt it was a very valuable experience. And it was a process that you can always go back to--"" Thats not echoing like an irritant in your ears is it Vaj?.... "we had a real good time, and I always felt it was a very valuable experience. And it was a process that you can always go back to" "we had a real good time, and I always felt it was a very valuable experience. And it was a process that you can always go back to" "we had a real good time, and I always felt it was a very valuable experience. And it was a process that you can always go back to" > > > Vaj is clearly jelous of these and other > > statements. > > No I feel they are merely taken out of the larger context as yet > another form of marketing but really they express even more the great > need of TMers and TB's to feel the "the Beatles have returned to the > fold".>>> You mean like when George Harrison said: ""I still practice Transcendental Meditation and I think it's great. Maharishi only ever did good for us, and although I have not been with him physically, I never left him."" or do you mean when he said: ""Well you know, John went through a negative thing moreso than I did with the Maharishi. I can see now much clearer what happened, and there was still just alot of ignorance that went down. Maharishi was fantastic and I admire him, like Prabhupada, for being able in spite of all the ridicule to just keep going. And there's more people now-- especially in the United States-- who are all doing it. And in the '60s they were laughing at us saying it was stupid. All of these people have influenced me and I've tried to the best out of all of them without getting spitiual indegestion."" http://beatlesnumber9.com/ghcraw.html Or maybe you mean when Ringo said: ""Even if I've not meditated for months, I can do it," he says. "It's something I do a lot more now than I have been over the last 15 years. " I stopped the echo for you this time. I know it hurts your ears. > It also appears they don't know the extent of M.'s misdeeds. If they > knew the extent of the debauch, >>> You have been brain-washed into thinking that something that is are based on zero evidence with no credibility is actually true. You are a TB for cretenous gossip. <<I suspect these more neutral > positions might change to be more like JL's. But at the same time, PM > does seem to see things through rose colored glasses. > > Also, to answer one of your other comments, my teacher has told me > how to approach other teachers, how to test them and how to know what > is legit. One of the quotes he used is actually on the FFL website: > > "Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe > what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. > But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.">>> Pity you do not have the objective and critical thinking skills to carry out his advice. No worries, keep practicing. OffWorld ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. 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