--- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thats another facet of the co-dependent
> > > bound/not-bound cycle story.
> > > When one becomes liberated, they become superior.
> >
> > Have you actually experienced that with "liberated"
> > people? Superiority/arrogance is the stink of an ego,
> > not of liberated consciousness.
>
>
> Well for example, Jim is claiming liberation -- I take him at his
word
> -- yet he is "an elephant" barely even able to talk to "ants" like
me.
I am answering the question you or some other anon asked. The ants
and elephant thing demonstrates the process of evolution. If you
want to say that more evolved beings are superior to less evolved,
be my guest, but you are dead wrong, imo.
> That is one experience. Similar ones come to mind.
>
> You may making a distinction between classes of "liberated" and Jim
> and others are not in the class you are referring to.
>
> I have experienced many people with and without the stink of an
ego.
> Are all of the latter liberated? All the former bound?
>
The stink of ego that you are so familiar with transforms into the
perfume of Ego in liberation.
>
> > > I
> > > guess thats the
> > > difference between the first category ("I have no
> > > awareness of
> > > boundaries") and the third stage of seekerdom "I
> > > have no awareness of
> > > boundaries, EVER".
> > >
> > > I observe people in the third stage, per their own
> > > story (I am not
> > > acknowleging any reality of a third stage or any
> > > stages), tend to
> > > express a sense of superiority. And reasonably so
> > > per their story.
> > > "Most are in ignorance and boundaries, I am not, I
> > > am liberated, I am
> > > the elephant, they are the ants."
> >
> > Really? Authentically liberated people can't act that
> > way because it would be a self-evident absurdity to
> > talk about being superior to someone else. How can
> > nothing be better or worse than something?
>
> Seems reasonable to me.
>
> > Maybe
> > you've been talking to some mood-makers who have good
> > experiences and also some self-esteem issues!
>
> Maybe. See above.
>
> And to jump a few notches, do you think MMY has some self-esteem
issues?
>
> >
> > > But what if its
> > > only a story. What
> > > if one never bought into ignorance and boundaries in
> > > the first place?
> >
> > I think that's a great non-story to buy into!
>
> Thats my non-story and my non-I is not sticking to IT.
>
>
> > >
> > > Then there is no seeking, no seeker, no teacher for
> > > the seeker, no
> > > seeker for the teacher, no boundaries to realize
> > > were never there, no
> > > ignorance to realize was never there. No
> > > co-depenedency, no
> > > superiority, no stories.
>
>
> > Sounds like a powerful insight of liberation to me.
> > First there's a game, then there's a winner of the
> > game, then it is realized that there wasn't a game at
> > all and therefore there are no winners or losers. Only
> > people who walk around claiming to be "not" when they
> > "is".
>
>
> Oh joy, do I get a crown? :)
>
> Maybe one to sit on so when I strike a "liberated pose" it hurts
my
> liberated ass like crazy.
>
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