From: "[email protected] [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion <snip to>
Writing more generally, soon I am goingto start following Rick's lead on this and start to delete posts ormore made to the list without warning where the invective in writingis personalized. Yes it is fine to comment, deal with and thoughtfully consider content but if folks are having arguments that are personalthey should just take themselves offline and spare FFL. Goingforward, personalized name-calling that is degrading, disrespectfulor humiliating will quickly be seen to become abuse on FFL. Read through theyahoo-groups guidelines and reflect. Where it is at all evident just expectto be moderated one way or another by any of the moderators withoutexplanation. Go for it. And good luck. However, I do feel the need to point out that the approach you outline above still leaves you as "The man behind the curtain," not only censoring the flow of content to Fairfield Life, but doing so in secret. If you delete posts, how will anyone know that you deleted them? Won't it be the same as those icky "protect your kids" software programs that keep the kids from seeing any porn on their computers, but that *also* "protect" them from seeing anything about birth control or abortion? Or, to use another analogy, wouldn't it be the same as you being the librarian at a small-town library and unilaterally deciding to remove certain books from the shelves, without notifying anyone *which* books? As I said, good luck. Generally, I do not expect to spend much timeediting at all on this or discussing this, particularly with trollsat all. Take the time to read over the yahoo-groups guidelines andwrite accordingly. Error well on the side of kindness and you will be wellwithin the yahoo-groups guidelines and fine. I appreciate and understand that some lot offolks here spend a lot of their life energy and time composing thingsto post on FFL. Going forward now, self-regulate yourselvesaccording to the yahoo guidelines error-ing well on the side of kindnessand save yourself your time invested in writing. Having to deleteposts is a terrible waste of your time and my time as well to have todo it. CDB, I am glad you are back.-JaiGuruYou P.S., The Yahoo-groups Guidelines:https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm #Jumping the shark isan idiom created by Jon Hein that was used todescribe the moment in the evolution of a television show when itbegins a decline in quality, signaled by a particular scene, episode,or aspect of a show ..and is seen by viewers to be the pointat which the show strayed irreparably from its original premise. ..The usage of "jump the shark" has subsequently broadenedbeyond television, indicating the moment when a brand, design,franchise or creative effort's evolution declines.# ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : Thanks Judy, I had not seen that and it does answer some of my concerns about Rick's intentions as well as supports your view that it is OK to use Doug's real name officially. Much appreciated. ---In [email protected], <authfriend@...> wrote : ---In [email protected], <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote : ---In [email protected], <authfriend@...> wrote : I think this excess of caution from you and others, frankly, is just another way to express resistance to the new moderation regime, by making it seem far more onerous than it has any likelihood of turning out to be. Me: I don't see the connection. You don't? Huh. I should think it would be obvious. The worse it's projected to be, the greater the justification for opposing it. You are welcome to any interpretation you want to believe but my reasons were as stated. J: Doug will get bounced as moderator by Rick if he overdoes things, and he knows it. Me: When he let Richard back on I realized that I am on my own here and I have no trust in the system to protect my interests here. What is considered as overdoing is highly subjective. See the quotes from Rick's posts below. I don't think there's much reason to expect him to go along with oppressive moderation given his past history, both with FFL and with the movement. J: What Rick wants is for the horrific personal abuse to stop. Me: I don't know what evidence you have to support this statement either in its main point or your personal added spin. My guess is that Rick got sick of his bugging him about it and just wanted it to stop which I suspect is the same way Richard got back on within a month of being banned. Again, see the quotes below. It wasn't just Doug. (And I wasn't one of those who contacted him, just for the record.) J: Doug has various tools at his disposal short of banishment, including warnings and setting an individual's posts to come to him for approval before posting. Let's all relax and see what happens rather than expecting the worst and protesting it in advance. Me: I find the idea that he is the judge of any of my posts repugnant but I accept your last sentence as a bit of wisdom that applies. Quotes from Rick's posts here: Almost daily, various people urge me to moderate FFL or get someone to do it. With BatGap and my other responsibilities, I don’t have the time. I believe in very minimal moderation, at least for FFL. I think the “anything goes” nature of it has contributed to its success and longevity. But I think we are obligated to at least abide by Yahoo’s guidelines. Theoretically, frequent violation of those guidelines could get the group shut down. Doug Hamilton has volunteered to moderate and to limit his moderation to ensuring adherence to Yahoo’s guidelines and no more. He will not moderate with his puritanical Buck alter-ego. I know some will bristle at what they perceive as a restriction of their freedom of speech, but different types of speech are appropriate in different contexts, and again, in the context of a Yahoo group, we are obligated to abide by Yahoo’s guidelines. So I’m going to try this and see how it goes. If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416427 I give little attention to FFL because I’m so busy with other things. But I’ve gotten so many complaints recently that I may appoint a moderator soon, and will announce it when I do. I don’t believe in censorship, but I also don’t believe in enabling abusive behavior. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416362 J: As to Doug's last name in the header of his posts, to see it, do this: Click Reply to any of his posts, then click the downward arrows to the left of the Subject line, then click the downward arrow to the right of the TO: line. Click any of the email addresses shown to send your message to that address. E.g., the one that says "dhamilton2K5@..." will put that address in the TO: field and thus send him a personal email. Me: I accept your point for you but still don't trust it for me. ---In [email protected], <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote : I didn't snip it as a statement about your posting it Judy. I am just exercising and abundance of caution in these changing times where I don't expect the benefit of any doubt. I looked back at a few of Buck's posts and didn't see his name so until he directly says it is OK to me I am trying to avoid it in any thread I am posting on. I agree with your point but I don't believe you would ever be a target of the new regime while I might be. It is a bit sensitive for me because a poster here began a campaign to post my full name by quoting any post where it occurred. I believe that you are expressing the spirit of the law, but sometimes it is the spirit that is weak while the flesh is enthusiastically willing! ---In [email protected], <authfriend@...> wrote : Regarding your snippage below, Rick's policy has always been that the use of real names is prohibited only if the person wishes to remain anonymous. Doug uses his real first name to sign his posts, and his last name is in the header of his posts, so there was no need to snip it. Mine isn't in the header (it used to be pre-Neo and was on alt.m.t), and I don't sign my posts, but I've never objected to my real name being used; I prefer it to my authfriend handle, in fact. #yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278 -- #yiv1821811278ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mkp #yiv1821811278hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mkp #yiv1821811278ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mkp .yiv1821811278ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mkp .yiv1821811278ad p {margin:0;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mkp .yiv1821811278ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-sponsor #yiv1821811278ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-sponsor #yiv1821811278ygrp-lc #yiv1821811278hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-sponsor #yiv1821811278ygrp-lc .yiv1821811278ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278activity span .yiv1821811278underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1821811278 .yiv1821811278attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv1821811278 .yiv1821811278attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1821811278 .yiv1821811278attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv1821811278 .yiv1821811278attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv1821811278 .yiv1821811278attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1821811278 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv1821811278 .yiv1821811278bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv1821811278 .yiv1821811278bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1821811278 dd.yiv1821811278last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1821811278 dd.yiv1821811278last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1821811278 dd.yiv1821811278last p span.yiv1821811278yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv1821811278 div.yiv1821811278attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1821811278 div.yiv1821811278attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv1821811278 div.yiv1821811278file-title a, #yiv1821811278 div.yiv1821811278file-title a:active, #yiv1821811278 div.yiv1821811278file-title a:hover, #yiv1821811278 div.yiv1821811278file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1821811278 div.yiv1821811278photo-title a, #yiv1821811278 div.yiv1821811278photo-title a:active, #yiv1821811278 div.yiv1821811278photo-title a:hover, #yiv1821811278 div.yiv1821811278photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1821811278 div#yiv1821811278ygrp-mlmsg #yiv1821811278ygrp-msg p a span.yiv1821811278yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv1821811278 .yiv1821811278green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv1821811278 .yiv1821811278MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv1821811278 o {font-size:0;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278photos div div {border:1px solid #666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278photos div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv1821811278 .yiv1821811278replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv1821811278 input, #yiv1821811278 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv1821811278 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-mlmsg #yiv1821811278logo {padding-bottom:10px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-msg p a {font-family:Verdana;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-msg p#yiv1821811278attach-count span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-reco #yiv1821811278reco-head {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-reco {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-sponsor #yiv1821811278ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-sponsor #yiv1821811278ov li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-sponsor #yiv1821811278ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-text {font-family:Georgia;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em 0;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv1821811278 #yiv1821811278ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}#yiv1821811278
