/Thanks for the clarification. I am sorry I ever called you "Buck". It
sounds complicated, so you can just call me "troll" for from now on -
eveyone will know who you mean, right? LoL!/
Quoting "[email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>:
CDB, I am glad you are back and I hope I can lend you as well as
some others who would return some protection of trust and safety here to
write more freely. The railroading of you by invasion of privacy was one
of the more infamous times of abuse on FFL.
That personalized invasion of your privacy was a low point on FFL
that was way against Rick's original intentions for the site and clearly
against what are now the yahoo-groups guidelines. Yours was proly not
the moment of decline but the list had evidently jumped a shark before
with an influx of personal antagonisms which have since developed into
some literary forms of perfection in a hyper personalization of the ad
hominem meme here to hurt people.
Folks are now making a lot of assumptions about my feelings about
content. I had long interviews with Rick about this in coming in to the
job of FFL CEO. However, my coming in to the FFL CEO [Chief Enforcement
Officer] of yahoo's groups-guidelines is not about content but is about
the personalization of unkindness that has become cultural on FFL, like
the unkindness you experienced.
Generally going forward now, folks should expect that their posts
will be summarily deleted where unkindness crosses in to violation of
the yahoo-groups guidelines. The guidelines are really quite simple and
the many sophist-icated and several of our professional writers here can
take the time for self-restraint before they may push their send button
to FFL.
Writing more generally, soon I am going to start following Rick's
lead on this and start to delete posts or more made to the list without
warning where the invective in writing is personalized. Yes it is fine
to comment, deal with and thoughtfully consider content but if folks are
having arguments that are personal they should just take themselves
offline and spare FFL. Going forward, personalized name-calling that is
degrading, disrespectful or humiliating will quickly be seen to become
abuse on FFL. Read through the yahoo-groups guidelines and reflect.
Where it is at all evident just expect to be moderated one way or
another by any of the moderators without explanation.
Generally, I do not expect to spend much time editing at all on
this or discussing this, particularly with trolls at all. Take the time
to read over the yahoo-groups guidelines and write accordingly. Error
well on the side of kindness and you will be well within the
yahoo-groups guidelines and fine.
I appreciate and understand that some lot of folks here spend a lot
of their life energy and time composing things to post on FFL. Going
forward now, self-regulate yourselves according to the yahoo guidelines
error-ing well on the side of kindness and save yourself your time
invested in writing. Having to delete posts is a terrible waste of your
time and my time as well to have to do it.
CDB, I am glad you are back. -JaiGuruYou
P.S., The Yahoo-groups Guidelines:
https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm
#
Jumping the shark is an idiom created by Jon Hein that was used
to
describe the moment in the evolution of a television show when it begins
a decline in quality, signaled by a particular scene, episode, or aspect
of a show ..and is seen by viewers to be the point at which the show
strayed irreparably from its original premise. ..The usage of "jump the
shark" has subsequently broadened beyond television, indicating the
moment when a brand, design, franchise or creative effort's evolution
declines.
#
---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote :
Thanks Judy, I had not seen that and it does answer some of my
concerns about Rick's intentions as well as supports your view that it
is OK to use Doug's real name officially. Much appreciated.
---In [email protected], <authfriend@...> wrote :
---In [email protected], <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote :
---In [email protected], <authfriend@...> wrote :
I think this excess of caution from you and others, frankly,
is just another way to express resistance to the new moderation regime,
by making it seem far more onerous than it has any likelihood of turning
out to be.
Me: I don't see the connection.
You don't? Huh. I should think it would be obvious. The
worse it's projected to be, the greater the justification for opposing
it.
You are welcome to any interpretation you want to believe
but my reasons were as stated.
J:
Doug will get bounced as moderator by Rick if he overdoes things, and
he knows it.
Me: When he let Richard back on I realized that I am on my own here and
I have no trust in the system to protect my interests here. What is
considered as overdoing is highly subjective.
See the quotes from Rick's posts below. I don't think
there's much reason to expect him to go along with oppressive moderation
given his past history, both with FFL and with the movement.
J:
What Rick wants is for the horrific personal abuse to stop.
Me: I don't know what evidence you have to support this statement either
in its main point or your personal added spin. My guess is that Rick got
sick of his bugging him about it and just wanted it to stop which I
suspect is the same way Richard got back on within a month of being
banned.
Again, see the quotes below. It wasn't just Doug. (And I
wasn't one of those who contacted him, just for the record.)
J: Doug has various tools at his disposal short of banishment, including
warnings and setting an individual's posts to come to him for approval
before posting. Let's all relax and see what happens rather than
expecting the worst and protesting it in advance.
Me: I find the idea that he is the judge of any of my posts repugnant
but I accept your last sentence as a bit of wisdom that applies.
Quotes from Rick's posts here:
ALMOST DAILY, VARIOUS PEOPLE URGE ME TO
MODERATE FFL OR GET SOMEONE TO DO IT. WITH BATGAP AND MY OTHER
RESPONSIBILITIES, I DON’T HAVE THE TIME. I BELIEVE IN VERY MINIMAL
MODERATION, AT LEAST FOR FFL. I THINK THE “ANYTHING GOES” NATURE OF
IT
HAS CONTRIBUTED TO ITS SUCCESS AND LONGEVITY. BUT I THINK WE ARE
OBLIGATED TO AT LEAST ABIDE BY YAHOO’S GUIDELINES. THEORETICALLY,
FREQUENT VIOLATION OF THOSE GUIDELINES COULD GET THE GROUP SHUT DOWN.
DOUG HAMILTON HAS VOLUNTEERED TO MODERATE AND TO LIMIT HIS MODERATION TO
ENSURING ADHERENCE TO YAHOO’S GUIDELINES AND NO MORE. HE WILL NOT
MODERATE WITH HIS PURITANICAL BUCK ALTER-EGO. I KNOW SOME WILL BRISTLE
AT WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS A RESTRICTION OF THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BUT
DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPEECH ARE APPROPRIATE IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS, AND
AGAIN, IN THE CONTEXT OF A YAHOO GROUP, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO ABIDE BY
YAHOO’S GUIDELINES. SO I’M GOING TO TRY THIS AND SEE HOW IT GOES. IF
DOUG ABUSES HIS AUTHORITY AND/OR FAILS TO MODERATE FAIRLY AND
OBJECTIVELY, I WILL REVOKE HIS MODERATOR STATUS.
HTTPS://GROUPS.YAHOO.COM/NEO/GROUPS/FAIRFIELDLIFE/CONVERSATIONS/MESSAGES/416427
I GIVE LITTLE ATTENTION TO FFL BECAUSE I’M SO BUSY WITH
OTHER THINGS. BUT I’VE GOTTEN SO MANY COMPLAINTS RECENTLY THAT I MAY
APPOINT A MODERATOR SOON, AND WILL ANNOUNCE IT WHEN I DO. I DON’T
BELIEVE IN CENSORSHIP, BUT I ALSO DON’T BELIEVE IN ENABLING ABUSIVE
BEHAVIOR.
HTTPS://GROUPS.YAHOO.COM/NEO/GROUPS/FAIRFIELDLIFE/CONVERSATIONS/MESSAGES/416362
J:
As to Doug's last name in the header of his posts, to see
it, do this: Click Reply to any of his posts, then click the downward
arrows to the left of the Subject line, then click the downward arrow to
the right of the TO: line.
Click any of the email addresses shown to send your message
to that address. E.g., the one that says "dhamilton2K5@..." will put
that address in the TO: field and thus send him a personal email.
Me: I accept your point for you but still don't trust it for me.
---In [email protected],
<curtisdeltablues@...> wrote :
I didn't snip it as a statement about your posting it
Judy. I am just exercising and abundance of caution in these changing
times where I don't expect the benefit of any doubt. I looked back at a
few of Buck's posts and didn't see his name so until he directly says it
is OK to me I am trying to avoid it in any thread I am posting on. I
agree with your point but I don't believe you would ever be a target of
the new regime while I might be.
It is a bit sensitive for me because a poster here began a campaign to
post my full name by quoting any post where it occurred. I believe that
you are expressing the spirit of the law, but sometimes it is the spirit
that is weak while the flesh is enthusiastically willing!
---In [email protected], <authfriend@...> wrote :
Regarding your snippage below, Rick's policy has always
been that the use of real names is prohibited only if the person wishes
to remain anonymous. Doug uses his real first name to sign his posts,
and his last name is in the header of his posts, so there was no need to
snip it. Mine isn't in the header (it used to be pre-Neo and was on
alt.m.t), and I don't sign my posts, but I've never objected to my real
name being used; I prefer it to my authfriend handle, in fact.
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