---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :
How does reconciling things that shouldn't be happening become something "working"? Sounds like denial to me. So, it's denial. It's for him to work out, isn't it? It seems to me we're seeing a different side to Doug. Actually seeing quite a bit less, which I think is also revealing. What gets your goat? What makes you want to raze the world to the ground and start it again? Do you ever care about anything enough to try and do something about it? My sphere of influence is rather small, but I do interact with a number of people each day. And aside from routine matters of business, or grocery shopping, I try to say something, or do something, which I think may spark a new way of thinking about things. I've also discovered that being a good listener helps people process areas of difficulty. Admittedly, these are small accomplishments, if you want to call them that, but that is where I am in this regard. It's everyone's concern if these "Nebulous theories" are a load of crap and can be demonstrated to be so and are costing people who don't know any better an awful lot of money. You know, the audience is mostly grown adults, right? Do I need to tell grown adults what they should, or should not believe? I don't believe I should. Hiding behind a PHD and claiming to be a world renowned physicist for instance, and claiming that science has discovered this or that when your beliefs are so outside of the mainstream they wouldn't be accepted as likely in a Harry Potter movie. Well, again, he can claim anything he wants. What is his sphere of influence? Rather small, I'd say. So, what is the problem? Who is being coerced to buy into any of it? I would say the movement goes out of it's way to persuade the faithful that it - and it alone - is in possession of the real facts about life and that the rest of the world has yet to catch up. Okay, the movement claims that pure consciousness, and the yet to be discovered unified field are one, and therefore everyone has access to this " field of all possibilities" And you find this to be a dangerous concept that is worthy of being censored? And you, who are on record about being concerned with things that are wrong in the world, choose this as a priority. That strikes me as a little odd. But so be it. From day one as a TMer they start spinning the yarn of perfect knowledge from the unified field and all the technologies they have to help you gain the most from life that don't actually work but are all part of the mythos. I would say that's coercion, they do guilt brilliantly too. You know, of course, the movement is aging, rapidly. There is not a large number of "core" participants. Grown adults, in my book, are capable of buying into whatever philosophy or way of life they choose. No one needs me to stand in judgement of what they may choose to believe. And for the great majority of even those "core" believers, they also, "take what they need, or want, and leave the rest". I count many as friends, and they recognize fact from fiction. It's a religion and expanding the coffers at the expense of the flock is what I expect. But the pope doesn't charge $5000 for a prayer. Check out the adverts for the yagya programme starting with Marshy's bullshit lectures. It's con. I care about people I know being conned. It sounds to me that you have a desire impose your own values on those who you feel are being deluded, which is okay, I guess, except that for someone appears to be concerned with social activism, it's an odd area to focus on. But, maybe it's low hanging fruit, and serves other needs you might have. Heh, I just read your reply now Steve. It appears we agree on a lot of the points here. It's great to get all proactive on things but to say something, anything is "balderdash" is easy and requires nothing but having an alternate viewpoint. Big deal - most people have alternate viewpoints. But if that is the case back it up with real evidence to those who can make a difference and change things. Do more than talk to others who can't make a difference or who most likely already agree. Get out there, bring proof and expose it to the wider world. That is what people do who really want to make a change or reveal something or someone as a phony. Talk is very, very cheap - especially on internet forums. LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Sorta funny, Sal, don't you agree? First you accuse Hagelin of all of his magical thinking, and then you appear to have special insight into Doug's thoughts and feelings. Oh well, that's how it goes at good 'ol FFL! I think it's a good guess about Doug. Cognitive dissonance is real and affects groups that have a strong "world saving" focus, when it all goes wrong and turns out to be nonsense they just carry on like everything is fine. It's classic True Believerism and I don't think it's funny at all but it is fascinating. I know loads of people who refuse to discuss the movement's many problems that it isn't supposed to have. And you think his dislike of us "apostates" is reasonable? It always sounded scary to me. And I accuse Hagelin of lying or delusions not magical thinking, though he might do that as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : snip That's why he hates this place and all its "apostates" because we remind him that he backed a losing horse a long time ago and feels he has to keep riding the thing until the bitter end, any other way of looking at things being placed in front of him just puts him in Jihad mode and he resorts to the language of the fanatic. Or, if you prefer an emotional argument: This sick fuck makes me nauseous just to look at him....his vibe is mean-hearted, cruel, and relentlessly intend on domination. 2. Financial criminal. The Transcendental Meditation Organization has had a decades-long history of crimes. Large amounts of money go unaccounted. In lieu of how Girish TOOK OVER, it is LOGICAL to suspect Girish is a criminal instead of accepting him as an honest person. He shows zero motivation to explain how and why he deserves his present position. The TMO's books are vague, incomplete, and probably simply a pack of lies, and until a public accounting is made, no trust has been earned; the red flags waving must be inspected. 3. Rapist. The news has give us the accounting of 20 persons who say Girish raped a woman. END OF STORY. Girish should resign. Why? Because: Rama and Sita. Rama sent Sita to HELL because the people were falsely whispering about her having fucked Ravana, before she was rescued. FALSELY, but Rama sent her to hell because "A KING'S FAME IS HIS ONLY TREASURE. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a famous student of his, Harold Bloomfield, have also been accused and/or convicted of sexual crimes. Yet the TMO ignores these vile "blackeyes." Girish stole the movement, stole the money and said "Fuck your fame.....I'm your monster guru now.....suck it up you toads or lose your field badges and your shit jobs at MUM." He probably dropped a Jai Guru Dev in at the end too. Girish Verma raped victim for 15 yrs from 1999 to 2014 http://www.freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/ http://www.freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/ Girish Verma raped victim for 15 yrs from 1999 to 2014 http://www.freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/ Charge- sheet filed against Chancellor of Mahesh ogi varsity BHOPAL: The police, on Tuesday, filed charge- sheet against Chancellor of Maharishi Mahesh ogi Ved... View on www.freepressjournal.in http://www.freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/ Preview by Yahoo
