Using "jai guru dev" shows ignorance on the part of TM'ers. It is a
phrase used by many paths to acknowledge their teacher not just TM and
usually not used in public. To refer to SBS as "Guru Dev" is incorrect
in protocol. Other people have their own "Guru Dev".
I like to use phrases to kid folks. We have a photography shop where
the owner studied French cooking and makes some wonderful baked goods he
sells at the Sunday farmer's market. I always greet with "bon matin"
(good morning) and we all have a laugh. Then I order in French. The
woman assisting at the booth doesn't know French but knows some
Italian. I tried "namaste" the other day but then said "oh wait, that's
Hindi" which we all laughed about.
On 07/07/2015 09:37 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Hi Curtis,
Well I'm completely appalled when people greet each other with Jai
Guru Dev! That's kind of what I'm poking at. I honor that someone
honors another human being and have been known to say "namaste"
myself. But saying Jai Guru Dev rather than hello seems like a
highjacking of a sincere honoring and turning it into something rote
and meaningless.
Warning: more softening ahead! OTOH, I acknowledge that I might be
wrong about a person's inner experience when they say Jai Guru Dev.
Nonetheless, I think a good course of action is to trust my own
instincts about another's sincerity and/or groundedness. And I further
recognize that people perhaps say Jai Guru Dev in an intentional way,
intending to have a deeper experience of life. I'm happy if it works
for them.
I think you especially but also Xeno, empty and barry2 generally take
an intellectual, philosophical and fascinating approach to discussing
TM, etc. I enjoy reading these but tend to have a more psychological
angle on the world. Such an angle can degenerate into analyzing
people's childhood issues and personalities and lifestyles. Enjoyment
then can be less.
Ok, Curtis, now to address your main point, or at least attempt to.
And it totally has to do with the reason I wish you guys would visit
here. As best as I can tell, lots of people here aren't going by any
guru's insights. Nor even by any guru's experiences. They are living
by their own insights and experiences.
That for me is proof of TM's efficacy.
When in SCI I heard Maharishi say that TM transcends its own activity,
I had a flash of insight. That TM totally liberates the seeker, even
from itself, to use an awkward wording. And I admit it leads to a
conundrum: one is filled with gratitude for a system one no longer
needs! I don't know, maybe it's just a GC phase (-:
I'd be interested in hearing one concept from SCI that you think is
"wrong." And also what exactly you mean by "wrong." Harmful to life?
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*From:* "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 10:22 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
Hi Share. Comments below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
salyavin, Jai Guru You! I love how you keep saying bye but remain. Yay!
Me: Maharishi would have been appalled by this hijacking of his way to
honor his master. He was completely against this even when it was
directed toward him. The concept of a guru in the way Maharishi used
this term is antithetical to human equality. By combining the buzz
word terminology used to maintain a hierarchy with an idea of
egalitarianism it basically cancels out the intellectual value and
integrity of both ideas and philosophies.
S:
But you ignored my main point which is people are saying negative
stuff and haven't even been in Fairfield, Ground Zero, in decades!
Come on guys, get a little hands on and current experience before you
wade in! Get a little present day skin in the game!
Me: The philosophy of Maharishi is what most people are challenging,
not the eclectic beliefs of many FF residents. When I am criticizing
Maharishi's teaching, it is targeted at the core beliefs that underlie
many movement participant's philosophies. For example, if you believe
in the concept of a guru as a person with the kind of insight into l!
ife claimed by gurus, then the difference between how this belief gets
mixed up in a personal philosophy is irrelevant to the challenge to
the idea. Saying for example, "I believe Maharishi was enlightened and
that enlightened people know the reality of life but I don't follow
what he says exactly" is just a statement about how incongruent most
people's philosophies are. It is not a refutation of the challenge
that guru's have not provided enough evidence to support their claims
to special states of mind and knowledge about the world.
S:
But having said that, I realize it's just my opinion, just my
preference. And I'm a little OCD so some of the repetition zones me
out. My bad!
Me: I guess you say this kind of thing to soften your having a
personal opinion on something here. I don't believe you need to
apologize for that. I think it is great that you love FFL and have
chosen those beliefs out of Maharishi's system that serve you. My
criticism of his teaching is never a personal attack on your life
choices. I wish you lots of happiness and good things for your life
while believing sincerely that Maharishi's philosophy is wrong on
almost everything it claims.
Yes, life, Jai Guru Life, abounds in irony (-:
I finally looked up TTFN...
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*From:* salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:27 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Though I will miss salyavin's science contributions and Xeno's dry
humor and rationality, turq's passion and urbanity, I will enjoy
immensely the absence of the deluge of anti TMO offerings, largely
because they are made far far away from Ground Zero, so to speak. And
I will even more immensely enjoy the more tamasic of said negative
rantings. Rajo guna I don't mind so much (-:
Hey, whatdya know , I'm still here! Jai Guru Me!
But I don't really think there's been a deluge of anti-TMO offerings.
What I recall is a lot of people who have personal and first hand
experience of the weird cult that is TM have expressed - and justified
- opinions that people like you and Buck don't like.
Why you don't like it is a mystery to me, this is - or was - a
discussion room for people with opinions about TM, the TMO and
anything else, to share. It's all on the home page.
But now Buck has assumed control and deleted all the interesting
posters this place is now effectively just a bliss bunny forum with n!
othing to say. This is sad. The natural conclusion of censorship is
that the only posts remaining are the ones nobody wants to read.
Look at what Buck used as an excuse to get rid of MJ. It's pathetic. I
can't believe you lot are just going to go along with it and not
object. But I guess that's what lifetime in a cult does for you. I
remember being in the TMO and voicing a contrary opinion and was told
that this is a dictatorship and my opinion wasn't relevant if it
contradicted Marshy.
Funny thing is, Buck was a victim of this fearful fascism and banned
from the domes for ages. He came here to rant about it.
Now he's back in the fold he's come over all Jai Guru Dev and wants to
treat us (you) the same way he was treated.
Ironic huh?
Just this morning I was reading that a couple of spiritual teachers
are saying that too much social media damages the third eye. One of
them is actually closing all of his FB pages.
Probably just doesn't like the ability of people to offer a contrary
opinion.
Bye salyavin, xeno and turq, wishing you all much happiness and good
health, etc.
Yeah, and you Share. You have been a source of fun here when you
posted more. And I got some good book recommendations from you. I
always thank people who open my eyes to things.
Somehow I'll have to find something else to do on my tea break!
TTFN ;-)
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*From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:02 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates
Ouch!
I read xeno's post this morning, but couldn't reply. (of course it's
all in the yahoo/ffl/mailarchive), but I guess a line was crossed.
Too bad, cuz I like xeno's brand of cynicism for the most part, and of
course, that dry, dry sense of humor.
That will not easily be replaced, IMO.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Dear Xenophaneros Anartaxius you are well aware of the yahoo-groups
guidelines of invading privacy or slurring people on yahoo-groups. Bye.
