---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote :
I'd be interested in hearing one concept from SCI that you think is "wrong." And also what exactly you mean by "wrong." Harmful to life? I'll have a quick stab at this one: Generally I'd say that SCI is wrong because it isn't an accurate description of reality. You may think that doesn't matter and that it's the way you want to look at things and that's fine, but the word science means there must be some sort of process going on to work out whether the set of beliefs you are dealing with can actually explain things or whether they are leading you astray. Evolution is one thing that SCI gets completely wrong, but like a lot of Marshy's teachings it relies on a vague recognition of terms that you perhaps never fully understood. Darwin's great gift to knowledge is that small things can become more complex without any help. There is no creative intelligence behind it. No intelligence at all and the creativity is actually mass murder, we just don't see the vast die off of the inadequate forms that got de-selected. So from our vantage point it looks like things get gradually more perfect and thus conform to the idea that there is a goal for living things but there really isn't. This is a rule of thumb and it's destroyed by further inquiry, and it's the sort of inquiry you can't just work out by looking at something, it took many years for Darwin to do the necessary experiments and many more careers working out the details. Evolution is now a very well sussed theory and nothing Marshy had to say adds or improves it in any way. In fact it only detracts and serves to confuse the unwary. Physics, don't get me started. Not tonight anyway. The main thing wrong here is the same as with everything else, the assumption of a creative intelligence. This is death to science, you can't just blame everything on some unknowable controlling force that underlies reality, that isn't what unified field theories are for, the idea is to explain and it's been heading toward a simplicity - a few forces and electromagnetism - not an underlying complexity. As soon as you start adding things like that you get religious. If complexity came first then where did that come from? A creator must be more complex than the things it creates. You see how it hasn't explained anything? I guess my biggest problem with it is that I don't believe we can trust our experiences in meditation to be revealing any useful information about the way the world works. I've been in there all the way to the hum of the ved and I think it's a mistake to assume I've seen any sort of fundamental physical field. It's all just buzzing stuff in our heads. From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates Hi Share. Comments below. ---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote : salyavin, Jai Guru You! I love how you keep saying bye but remain. Yay! Me: Maharishi would have been appalled by this hijacking of his way to honor his master. He was completely against this even when it was directed toward him. The concept of a guru in the way Maharishi used this term is antithetical to human equality. By combining the buzz word terminology used to maintain a hierarchy with an idea of egalitarianism it basically cancels out the intellectual value and integrity of both ideas and philosophies. S: But you ignored my main point which is people are saying negative stuff and haven't even been in Fairfield, Ground Zero, in decades! Come on guys, get a little hands on and current experience before you wade in! Get a little present day skin in the game! Me: The philosophy of Maharishi is what most people are challenging, not the eclectic beliefs of many FF residents. When I am criticizing Maharishi's teaching, it is targeted at the core beliefs that underlie many movement participant's philosophies. For example, if you believe in the concept of a guru as a person with the kind of insight into life claimed by gurus, then the difference between how this belief gets mixed up in a personal philosophy is irrelevant to the challenge to the idea. Saying for example, "I believe Maharishi was enlightened and that enlightened people know the reality of life but I don't follow what he says exactly" is just a statement about how incongruent most people's philosophies are. It is not a refutation of the challenge that guru's have not provided enough evidence to support their claims to special states of mind and knowledge about the world. S: But having said that, I realize it's just my opinion, just my preference. And I'm a little OCD so some of the repetition zones me out. My bad! Me: I guess you say this kind of thing to soften your having a personal opinion on something here. I don't believe you need to apologize for that. I think it is great that you love FFL and have chosen those beliefs out of Maharishi's system that serve you. My criticism of his teaching is never a personal attack on your life choices. I wish you lots of happiness and good things for your life while believing sincerely that Maharishi's philosophy is wrong on almost everything it claims. Yes, life, Jai Guru Life, abounds in irony (-: I finally looked up TTFN... From: salyavin808 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates ---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote : Though I will miss salyavin's science contributions and Xeno's dry humor and rationality, turq's passion and urbanity, I will enjoy immensely the absence of the deluge of anti TMO offerings, largely because they are made far far away from Ground Zero, so to speak. And I will even more immensely enjoy the more tamasic of said negative rantings. Rajo guna I don't mind so much (-: Hey, whatdya know , I'm still here! Jai Guru Me! But I don't really think there's been a deluge of anti-TMO offerings. What I recall is a lot of people who have personal and first hand experience of the weird cult that is TM have expressed - and justified - opinions that people like you and Buck don't like. Why you don't like it is a mystery to me, this is - or was - a discussion room for people with opinions about TM, the TMO and anything else, to share. It's all on the home page. But now Buck has assumed control and deleted all the interesting posters this place is now effectively just a bliss bunny forum with nothing to say. This is sad. The natural conclusion of censorship is that the only posts remaining are the ones nobody wants to read. Look at what Buck used as an excuse to get rid of MJ. It's pathetic. I can't believe you lot are just going to go along with it and not object. But I guess that's what lifetime in a cult does for you. I remember being in the TMO and voicing a contrary opinion and was told that this is a dictatorship and my opinion wasn't relevant if it contradicted Marshy. Funny thing is, Buck was a victim of this fearful fascism and banned from the domes for ages. He came here to rant about it. Now he's back in the fold he's come over all Jai Guru Dev and wants to treat us (you) the same way he was treated. Ironic huh? Just this morning I was reading that a couple of spiritual teachers are saying that too much social media damages the third eye. One of them is actually closing all of his FB pages. Probably just doesn't like the ability of people to offer a contrary opinion. Bye salyavin, xeno and turq, wishing you all much happiness and good health, etc. Yeah, and you Share. You have been a source of fun here when you posted more. And I got some good book recommendations from you. I always thank people who open my eyes to things. Somehow I'll have to find something else to do on my tea break! TTFN ;-) From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostates Ouch! I read xeno's post this morning, but couldn't reply. (of course it's all in the yahoo/ffl/mailarchive), but I guess a line was crossed. Too bad, cuz I like xeno's brand of cynicism for the most part, and of course, that dry, dry sense of humor. That will not easily be replaced, IMO. ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Dear Xenophaneros Anartaxius you are well aware of the yahoo-groups guidelines of invading privacy or slurring people on yahoo-groups. Bye.
