> > > > > > > What's strange is that I forgot to mention 
> > > > > > > codependency.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for providing my morning chuckle, Vaj.  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Says the comrade-in-arms while chuckling over jokes made 
> > > > > at the expense of someone with suspected and/or diagnosed  
> > > > > mental problems.
> > > > 
> > > > Lighten up, Lawson.  I was not laughing at the recent
> > > > jibes made here about your medical condition, and do
> > > > not support them.  I was laughing at Judy's compulsive
> > > > rush to "defend" one of the people she views as a 
> > > > "comrade-in-arms" and supporter.  The 'codependency'
> > > > Vaj jokes about is on her side, not yours.  I found
> > > > it funny, that's all.
> > > 
> > > Actually, I took it as a jibe at me since "co"-dependency 
> > > is, well, a two-way street.
> > > 
> > > You can't have a single person be "co"-dependent.
> > 
> > You are correct, of course. I was just chuckling
> > at the 'dependency' Vaj nailed in someone who has
> > made an Internet 'career' out of trying to convince
> > others that she's "right" and that they pretty much
> > have to agree with her. Once she recruits someone
> > into the position of agreeing with her fairly consis-
> > tently
> 
> In other words, *Lawson* is the co-dependent, the
> one who is manipulated and controlled (or the "toady,"
> as Barry is fond of putting it).

No, exactly backwards.  As you keep saying, you might
learn to read. I was suggesting that *you* are dependent
on the people whom you feel agree with you. I was sug-
gesting that (IMO, of course) it seems to give you
some feeling of comfort to know that people agree 
with you or that you have been successful in convincing
them that you are right, and when that happens, you
form a protective relationship with them, compulsively
rushing in to "protect" them whenever they get into a
challenging discussion. I could be wrong about this,
but it's my honest opinion after watching your behavior
for years.

Lawson does NOT need your "protection." He has neither
asked for it nor does he seem to welcome it.  But you
seem compelled to provide it. *That* is the 'dependency'
I was speaking of. It's all from your side.

Clear now?

But I owe you an apology for bringing all this up again,
and you have it -- I apologize.

You are who you are, and that's OK.  I really *am*
tired of all this circular sniping with you, Judy.
It's boring and unproductive.

What's brought me to this realization is the discovery
yesterday that my brother seems to have done a Dennis
Miller and become a Born Again Conservative, compelled
to overreact whenever anyone pushes his "America is a
great place" buttons by questioning that myth, and
equally compelled to try to convince the offending
parties that they are WRONG and that he is RIGHT.

It's downright embarrassing. It's like discovering 
that you have Bill O'Reilly for a brother.  :-)

And it's made me realize that what I really enjoy on
Internet discussion groups like this one is interactions
with people who are comfortable with believing what they
believe, and equally comfortable with other people
believing what *they* believe, even if it's the
polar opposite.  There are such people here at FFL,
and I treasure them.  Rick has created a great forum,
one in which one can (theoretically) exchange points
of view and learn from the differences between those
points of view, without the need to butt heads to 
establish dominance or prove one point of view "better"
than another.

I really don't believe that my point of view is "right."
It's just my point of view.  It changes daily, if not
more often.  If your point of view or someone else's
differs from mine, I think that's OK, and I'm going
to try my best to not get involved in discussions that
seem to be oriented towards proving the superiority of
one point of view and the inferiority of the other.
That strikes me as terribly lowvibe and not worthy of
someone who has spent as long on a spiritual path as
I have or as you have.  If you still get off on such
things, I wish you well with it, but I really don't
want to get involved any more.







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