---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
It doesn't even mention yogic flying.. and Why? The guy is a scientist and makes administrative decisions based on observation, gathering data, testing, and experience. Metrics and merit now matter more in the running of the new TM order than just some old rigid belief in ideology. This is refreshing and comes of necessity. This large order world-wide advertising heralds a new new [post-vedic-f-ing?] time for TM. -JGU Yes, I know that's the reason. The point I'm making is: Why bother when it's all you've got to offer? When I worked for the movement back in the day, we had someone design an NLP election booklet for us that did this very thing, made us all look corporate and acceptable to any potential voters. I thought it was good as it didn't look like an Indian restaurant menu like everything else the TMO produced, but my boss (now our Raja) didn't like it. He said. "But it isn't us, and given that no one ever reads our stuff anyway why don't we just be ourselves?" He was overruled and the booklet went into print. Then he was given a crown and now they hide those as well! My answer to the question I was asking is that TM is being re-branded to avoid embarrassing David Lynch. He's the prime mover at the moment and the last thing he's going to want is the career death of being associated with yogic flying. I do disagree with your last sentence though. There will never be a post-yogic flying TMO because it's all there is and if you enjoy it good luck to you. I'm entirely unconvinced about the scientific evidence for the Marshy Effect though, but if they want to continue to try and prove it I'm all ears, but they haven't done it yet and it's disingenuous of then to claim they have. It's odd they never really try and prove it as it's the only thing that sets them apart from any other type of meditation (And I should know, I've followed a few) and it would transform our understanding of nature. If I believed it and worked at MUM it's the only thing I'd focus on. I do wish for a post-yagya TMO though as it's an inexcusable con without any basis in science or even any demonstrable results. But where else is the money going to come from? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Why? Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying.. Reality check. An adaption based on observation of human behavior. Evidently Yogic flying as advanced practice seems too fantastic and complex to frankly lead with. But the science research on meditation and people's experience with meditation are tight and they carry their own weight separately as a practical reality. The meditation part of TM is well taught, people generally like it, the science is substantial, so evidently he is going now with 'TM' in the larger marketplace of ideas and less so with what was but one 'advanced practice' of Yogic-F'ing. There seems an evident re-alignment to what works well, the meditation. Not that yogic flying won't be somewhere in the bowels of TM. But evidently the lead is different with this, like putting a better foot forward. It is very mammalian, The movement is yet alive and moves, of necessity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : 7thRay writes Good nuance. Good comparison. salyavin808 writes: A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? Yep, that's a fine comparison. I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment. No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? Not even the TMO is claiming that. We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them because we already know the frequencies. But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical world? Where we go beyond that, I don't know. I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind. Why on Earth would you want to maintain that? Where we go beyond that, I don't know. And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere. We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my question about who the letter was aimed at.... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to see what people think of it.A sane person would distance themselves from such *nonsense*. I wouldn't be caught dead endorsing yogic flying and the TMO to create world peace. Might pull for it secretly though, kind of like a Muslim secretly pulling for a Caliphate. From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%! Any idea why they are bothering with this? It doesn't even mention yogic flying so if anyone takes it at face value and does some research, they'll instantly find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXAB5L3EIQ And that will be that. Anyone looking still further might wonder why we haven't done it anyway if it works. And then we can say; we have been doing it. And yagyas too! So why doesn't it work? because it just doesn't. There is no action at a distance. None of the research goes anywhere proving that it does. The crime rate in Washington didn't fall any further than it randomly fluctuates over the year anyway, even the editors of the journal that one was published in weren't impressed. And the Lebanon study was even more pointless, does anyone look back at that time and wonder why there was a few fewer deaths than expected when there people meditating in Jerusalem? Of course not, because there wasn't. You can't say that more people would have died if we weren't meditating, how are you going to prove it? There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics If this amazing "technology" caused world peace we'd already have it, aren't there 250,000 meditators in South America now? The crime rate in Washington would have dropped to nothing if yogic flying worked. The war in Lebanon would have stopped. Even if it's as good as the claimed unmeasurable effects, how would that help in Syria? 10% fewer beheadings than last month? Wouldn't that interfere with Saudi Arabian justice a bit? They won't like that. Let's face it, it's a nice idea - one of the best, but if they can't even explain how it might work by any known mechanism let alone demonstrate that it does it's dead in the water. Perhaps that's why this advert is heavy on promises and light on explanation? Fess up guys, if it worked the amount of meditators, yagyas and pundits all over the world would have had us all dancing in the streets by now, but we appear to be stuck with having to come up with actual solutions for problems rather than hoping some stirrings of bliss in some mythical unified field will magically save the world. I convert for evidence, but I aint ever seen none for magic, nor even had it explained how it might work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dickmays@...> wrote : Published scientific studies show TM and advanced practices reduce war deaths and terrorism by more than 70%. (See the journals and statistics below in the middle column.) http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf http://www.gusp.org/pdf/LetterToWorldLeaders.pdf
