--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 12/9/05 8:08:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Castro  is responsible for about 50,000 deaths and enslaving 11 
> > million  Cubans.
> > 
> So, about the same as some of our recent Presidents?  Johnson with 
> his ~73,000 Vietnam War dead (American deaths only) came to  mind. 
> Though I don't recall specifically the dictators he supported 
under  
> his administration so I can't correlate the 11 million  enslaved.
> 
> And Bush the first killed roughly 100,000 Iraqis during the  first 
> war, and then allowed Sadaam to remain in power, enslaving 
roughly  
> 25 million.
> 
> Oh, and Reagan propped up quite a few central american  
dictatorships 
> during his terms, easily surpassing the '11 million  enslaved' 
> number. 
> 
> 
> 
> Let's give credit where it is due in Vietnam. Starting with  
Eisenhower who 
> sent advisors , Kennedy who actually sent fighting troops and  
pulled off the 
> coup and murder of Diem, Johnson who escalated the mess to it's  
peak. Nixon 
> and Ford at least committed themselves to a withdrawal of troops  
although it 
> wasn't the cut n run tactic the democrats have come to embrace. I  
think the 
> more accurate combat death figure was about 58,000. < Bush  41 led 
a coalition 
> which may have killed 100,000 Iraqis,in order to expel  Iraq from 
Kuwait,  but 
> it was the UN that left Saddam in power, who  had already enslaved 
25 million 
> Iraqis.< As for  Reagan propping up  central American dictators 
who enslaved 
> their people, I can't think of any that  confiscated massive 
amounts of private 
> property, or prohibited their people from  leaving their country 
or made 
> people work for the state or had mass executions.  Seems like 
Jimmy Carter is about 
> to escape this mess. Didn't he prop up or at  least recognize the 
Pol Pot 
> regime that murdered 2 million Cambodians and  enslaved the rest 
just to keep the 
> newly reunified government of Vietnam in  check?
>

No, MDixon...if we want to give credit where credit is due, we can 
look at all those who participated in the anti-war movement in 
the '60s and '70s in this country who through their actions 
successfully got the U.S. to pull out of vietnam.  More people in 
southeast asia were killed in the 2 years following the U.S. retreat 
than in the entire 14 years of U.S. involvement.

Everything -- and more -- that the so-called right-wing fanatics 
predicted would happen in southeast asia happened.  And it happened 
in spades.  We were warned that if communism were allowed to spread 
there that it would result in death and destruction and suffering in 
very high numbers, just as it had in pretty well every place that 
communism takes hold.

And even worse happened.

So let's give credit where credit is due.






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