---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote :
---In [email protected], <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Rick makes a good point about this below. Different than Tony Nader’s larger French Lebanese family portfolio or some of the other altruistic TM big-wigs this comes as another good reason for the TM movement to post its financials on operations in detail on its webpages. Not just pie-charts but standard financial statements in detail readily available to read. If TM and all its shells is non-profit and charitable prove that it is well run by its trustees right now. Once again TM's integrity is an open question. They have to do it if they want to retain any credibility here. How much do they make from yagya's worldwide? We know it's $5 million per annum from the monthly national one in the US but how much for all the extra private ones. If it's anything like the UK people will be getting them for illness, birthdays, dying pets, change the weather etc etc. To rake in this much cash for something that doesn't work AND not spend it on what you've been claiming to spend in on is indefensible. Non-profit organisations should have open books so we can see how much profit it is they don't have. If the TM Movement is a non profit then according to this they need to make their financials public, according to this. Have you tried to get this kind of information, Sal? I couldn't care less how much they have or what they do with it but maybe you should do some digging and report back for all those that do care. I have indeed tried, but I don't have all day to search for this stuff. The names of trusts have to be known and it isn't as simple as just doing a search on "Marshy etc". Besides, an organisation that would deliberately con money out of it's faithful followers might deliberately make it difficult to track down perhaps? And a lot of it's in India, do they publish the figures anywhere? I wouldn't know where to start. Other than "Vedaland" - where a slick PR campaign of dubious phone polls and financial predictions was put together to impress high earning people for a minimum $50,000 investment. The guy designing it (Doug Henning) was on his death bed, which didn't get a mention. There was of course no apology - I've seen plenty of scam videos featuring John Hagelin, including a fake interview with a supposed TV journalist about how fantastic all his research is. Things like this are carefully calculated to make a dopey observer on a rounding course think it's more widely accepted than it really is. And that isn't even getting going on his abuse of physics in using string theory to explain yagyas or jyotish etc! So no, I don't trust them, it's obvious they'll step over legal and moral boundaries to make money - it's illegal to raise funds for projects that aren't going to happen or to keep the money without offering a refund if a project falls apart - in Europe anyway, maybe America has different values for charities? I doubt it though. The lone protesting voice in all of this was mine, of course. I was told to "Shut up, stop rocking the boat, Marshy knows what he's doing, the money goes to the best place, sometimes we raise money and Marshy senses that natural law has changed and it's suddenly needed elsewhere" etc. Typical cult apologetics, people in the TMO don't last long if they ask tricky questions - I sure didn't - but it surprises me that you don't care, people round here are your friends aren't they? Here is the thing, Sal. I left the TM movement when I decided Robin Carlsen was an interesting guy back in 1983. One of the things that made him so interesting was his utter contempt for the TM Movement - not MMY - but the Movement. I have always been a scofflaw and while at MIU and afterwards this was no exception. I had no interest in investing in anything (other than a necklace of crystals from the Crest Jewel in FF) and I certainly would have never gotten involved in building palaces or giving money for such a thing to be undertaken. I would never pay for a yagya or give $1m to become a Raja (although I could have). I got my education at MIU and moved to New Jersey and other than 3.5 years skipping around the US with Robin I haven't thought of the TM Movement since 1986. Out of the blue I find myself engaging on FFL a few years ago and suddenly I see a lot of disgruntled people still talking about Maharishi or the lousy time they had baking bread in the MIU kitchen. I don't like the stuffed shirts in the Movement any more than you do and while reading FFL I have learned a lot about all sorts of zany plans to build this Peace Palace or that giant lingam dedicated to Maharishi's manhood or whatever they are supposed to represent and, while it is all interesting for about 5 minutes, it is not my soapbox. I figure most of those investing in or tooting the horn for yagya donations are grown adults who can decide if they want to spend their money on chanting or on a fitbit or the latest VW convertible. Now, this discussion about Nader and how he could possibly have so much money (how much does he have? ) seems like many are jumping to conclusions about his guilt with regard to the Movement handing over millions of dollars to him for some reason. Why would they do this? Is he worth that much to them? I don't know Nader from a hole in the ground other than, I believe, he possesses a gold outfit complete with crown in his closet. I suggest people get some hard facts before proclaiming his guilt from the rooftops. BTW, where did you get your information? Judy seems to think that is important and you didn't answer that question in your response here. Nonprofit Financial Statements - FindLaw http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html Nonprofit Financial Statements - FindLaw http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html Question: Do 501(c)(3) non-profit corporations have to make their financial statements available to the public? Answer: Yes. Non-profit corporations ... View on smallbusiness.findlaw... http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/incorporation-and-legal-structures/nonprofit-financial-statements.html Preview by Yahoo -JaiGuruYou ---In [email protected], <rick@...> wrote : http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/ http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/ I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum. salyavin808 writes: This is the TMO doing what it does best. Soliciting donations for it's "world plan for world peace, bringing enlightenment and prosperity to all nations" and then spending it all on real estate. They have big plans you see, the idea has always a world wide network of palaces and embassies for the "rajas", but no one would pay for that directly so they get you with the old "pundit program" scam, it still seems to work, get a maniac like John Hagelin to make it all sound scientific with a video about string theory, and everyone will think it's valid in some sort of demonstrable way, Before you know it the millions are rolling in from the hopeful flock who have been brainwashed for decades with crap about vedas and physics and now vedas and physiology. I do remember them saying that they'd give refunds in future if the "peace creating" pundit groups didn't happen. Well they didn't happen, not even slightly. This recent layout of funds on big houses for the bigwigs gives the lie to that. It should be obvious that not even they believe all that "coherence creating" bullshit, the question is: What are TMers going to do about it? I'm sure you all received the letter I did recently, about doubling your monthly donation for the yagya programme? Bet you didn't think it was going on flying lessons for the King, expensive jeweller for his wife, or expensive - and non TM - schools for their kids. Keep the money rolling in, Heaven on Earth awaits. Just not for you.... ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Tonight's Phone Call with Maharaja Rajaraam Enjoy an Evening with Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam Extra seating will be available in Festival Hall We are looking forward to the phone call from Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam during Lesson Two of the Ramayan in Human Physiology Course this evening. Everyone is invited. This event is free, and you can come even if you missed Lesson One. It starts at 7:45in Dalby Hall. We expect lots of people, so please come early. Extra room is provided in Festival Hall. The first two lessons of the Ramayan in Human Physiology are free and open to the community. Everyone is invited. The prerequisite for the course is instruction in the TM Technique and completion of STC108 or equivalent; or completion of the TM-Sidhis Course and a valid dome badge. ---In [email protected], <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Brilliant. Yes, two sides of the same coin, yet not letting go of the coin, which rusted through a long time ago. A dodge and distraction from life's procession. Both the followers and anti-followers create meaning around an object which cannot be perfected nor destroyed, perpetually. A spinning mirror to look into, transfixed, instead of simply dealing with the nature of life and our intimate relationship with it. The mind as the naked emperor, parading in front of its fantasies. ---In [email protected], <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In [email protected], <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Yeah, he be the MAHARAJA! I would guess his family has money, especially if he's a doctor and hung out with Maharishi a lot. I doubt he has had to spend much time in an emergency room or maintain a practice fixing up people to pay off student loans. It is very apparent that the guy has money, and it makes sense to me. Why wouldn't a highly educated medical man have made a decent amount of money and has anyone (imagine!) considered that perhaps his wife has a good job? Or maybe there is family money as well. As for some of these other people who became rajas and ranis, I've heard at least one and maybe more had to virtually beg for assistance to pay the million dollar fee. The TM movement is and always been full of idiots. I have my doubts as to whether many could have made it in the real world. I know for a fact they couldn't and didn't. There are so many airy fairy neurotics who crowd into the lineup to see their current favorite guru or who run, feverishly, to jump on some bandwagon that sounds like the next greatest thing. There are many "misfits" and just plain strange human beings on this Earth and we have a small proportion right here on FFL (not to mention over at number 2) who fell into that category and who still appear (as of my last viewing of them before the Great Divide) just as obsessed as ever with the Movement and what it's up to or how they can work out their unresolved feelings about having been screwed by MMY and those who were his "henchmen". You really have to wonder what it would take for many of them to simply move on and make an effort to unencumber themselves from it all. Personally, I sense a kind of addiction - as twisted as it actually is. The irony of it all is many of these obsessors think of themselves as unattached just because they have a negative opinion. It doesn't matter whether one's opinion is negative or positive; as long as you keep obsessing and showing interest you're still very much involved. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader's new lot ---In [email protected], <rick@...> wrote : http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/ http://m.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/business/real-estate/palm-beacher-pays-43m-for-lot-a-half-mile-from-hom/nqDbj/ I just read this. Isn't Tony Nader one of the Rajas? Or is he just a scientist/doctor? Not having been a follower of what goes on in the TM Movement since 1985 I presume this is news - the fact that he has some bucks? If you're a Raja don't you have had to have donated a wheelbarrow full of money or something? If that is the case, the amount is $1m (?) then it comes as no surprise that someone has a lot more than that in their bank account. Only an idiot would donate $1m and not have at least $10m in the bank, minimum.
