--- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > snip
> > > > 
> > > > Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox,
> > > > transcending my intellect,  
> > > > and leaving me as the innocent witness to his
> > > > actions. Like a master-
> > > >  disciple relationship only in the transcendent;
> > > > ONLY in the 
> > > > transcendent. Pure Paradox.
> > > 
> > > Absolutely. You got it! Nothing of value on the
> > > surface at all. It's all sentimentality and ego up
> > > there, but deep in the heart is that pulse of Brahman
> > > that just PULLS you into it and flattens all the
> > > bullshit of the personality. Pure Shiva whirling in
> > > absolute stillness destroying all boundaries. 
> > 
> > And yet I suspect you'd have to admit that this
> > is a subjective feeling. 
> 
> A polite way of saying "mood making", perhaps? 
> 
> And/ or the inner consolidation/condensation of ones own projections
> of how the world (and gurus) should be? I mean if one thinks MMY or
> whoever is "IT", "THE ONE", won't the mind almost automatically 
create
> a sense of that experience when one sees them? Particularly if it 
is a
> rare event / (always a) special occasion?
> 
> Did the skinboys and inner circle types who were around MMY 
constantly
> experience him as "blazing brahman".
> 
> Could the need to experience a teacher as "blazing brahman" justify
> the umpteen years poured into what now apear, at least in part as
> trivial and silly projects of his?

Were they trivial and silly to those involved? DId the projects 
attained the desired goal? How do you know?

> 
> Someone once said that the grandeur of the "described" experience
> around the teacher is inversely proportional to ones proximity.
>

Except that according to Helena Olson, MMY's most favorite person in 
the clique of Americans hanging around the "Master" in 1959 was her 
Mother (Mother-in-law?) who didn't take him serioiusly at all and 
couldn't understand why everyone else did.





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