--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > MMY's personality is very much a product of his > > > > time > > > > > and culture. It has nothing to do with anything > > > > > "cosmic". Blazing Brahman expresses itself through > > > > an > > > > > aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89 year old > > > > Hindu > > > > > man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron > > > > fist > > > > > for the past 50 years. > > > > > > > > Boy, I think this is an important point. > > > > > > > > Peter, would it also be correct to phrase it > > > > slightly differently and say, This is *how* > > > > Blazing Brahman is expressing itself through > > > > this particular aging, slightly senile, > > > > lower-caste, 89-year-old Hindu man who has > > > > run a spiritual movement with an iron fist > > > > for the past 50 years? > > > > > > Yes, better stated your way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean, obviously one has to think MMY has > > > > *realized* Blazing Brahman in order to make > > > > either of these two statements. > > > > > > > > But people tend to look at the *expression*, > > > > find it to be much less than what they think > > > > of as "perfection" in a relative sense, and > > > > on that basis assume MMY has *not* realized > > > > Brahman. > > > > > > Agreed. If you're looking for relative perfection in a > > > realized master, good luck! For example in a > > > residential Art of Living course I took about a year > > > ago with SSRS in residence, I was bothered by his > > > casual manner in talking about funny stories from his > > > ashram and people throwing themselves at his feet. He > > > wasn't making fun of them or anything but was talking > > > about the difficulty in walking around and how much > > > time it took to go from one end of his ashram to > > > another. Very funny, very cute story. But I was amazed > > > at part of my own reaction. I wanted him to be more > > > serious and aloof and not have the reaction he did. > > > Just some silly relative ideal of what a guru should > > > be. My attachment, my problem, not his. > > > > > Yes. Funny what a process that is- engaging with a guru, and coming > > to terms with who he or she is, vs who we want them to be. > > > > *Paradoxically* I never had the slightest inclination to be in > > Maharishi's physical presence. > > > > and *paradoxically* the only guru who lived up to my expectations > > when I met him face to face was Brahmananda Saraswati aka Guru Dev > > (who was the only one I ever met face-to-face...). The embodiment > of > > gentleness, love, friendliness, compassion and an absolute pillar > of > > resolve, tenacity, steadfastness, and no compromise. > > > > Hey Paul, I mean Saul. > Does that mean something? Is this a Christian reference or something?
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