--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- jim_flanegin wrote:
> >
> > enlightenment does not adhere 
> > to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period.
> 
> I've been given to understand that enlightenment 
> changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to 
> another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists 
> disagree with Hindus on key points, and when 
> their adherents attain end states they call awakening 
> or enlightenment, the attainees describe their 
> experiences differently from one another but 
> consistent with their traditions.
> 
> Native Americans have no such states in their 
> traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not 
> something that all traditions recognize.
> 
> View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master 
> as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept 
> determines percept.
> 
> I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. 
> I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. 
> I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with 
> the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to 
> any tradition.
>
********

Gee, Patrick, I 'm crushed to see how quickly you've forgotten "process and 
product are 
one".

L B S





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