For some strange reason, she will never admit that she is wrong about 
something, whether it's the steps in the Sun Salutation or that Bill Clinton 
signed into law bank deregulation. Go figure.

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---In, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I enjoyed Charlie Sheen's rants immensely.  Sure some of it was sexist, but I 
eschew so much political correctness that I found much of it refreshing, so no 
apologies there. 

 Winning with grace is where it's at, and unfortunately, Judy, you lose out on 
both counts.  (-:

---In, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I guess it's no surprise to see you quoting Charlie Sheen approvingly. You 
could also have quoted Vince Lombardi: "Winning isn't everything; it's the only 
thing." I'm sure Trump agrees.

So what was the score, Stevie-poo? 



 ---In, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Right, and losing the debate in the process. 

 Like Charlie Sheen says, and which is on target.

 "Winning.  Duh"

---In, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 Nonsense. Pence was free to debate the issues as Kaine brought them up, but 
all he could manage was to falsely deny their very existence or just ignore 
them entirely. That's what the Clinton campaign anticipated he'd do, and they 
were right. They'd be crazy not to make hay out of it. 



 ---In, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 As I said, I did not watch the debate, so was limited to the clips and the 
post debate commentary which seemed to give the "win" to Pence.  However, if, 
as you speculate, the purpose of the debate on the Clinton side was "capture  
sound bites" and not really debate the issues, well that sounds pretty strange 
in itself, and I guess, sorta proves my point. 

 Bring out Kaine with a different agenda than to debate, but rather try to make 
the opponent make statements for fodder in future campaign ads.

 And again, if that is the case, then I would have preferred to see a more 
honest debate, than one with that ulterior motive.

 But also, according to your analysis below, the reason Pence DID appear to 
come out the winner was because he WAS himself, with all the lies and 
misrepresentations.  He evidently is comfortable with that, and that came 

 Just sayin'

---In, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : 

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.

---In, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?    Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.


 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] <> wrote:

 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
<awoelflebater@...> wrote :


<authfriend@...> wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.



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