Question below:

--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In [email protected],
> > "lurkernomore20002000" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], Peter
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
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> > > > No puja = no parashakti. Slow, slow path. A dead
> > > > mantra. Too bad. Why were they so arrogant as to
> > > > remove the puja? Who's name do they teach in?
> > They're
> > > > own? Where do they say this practice came from,
> > the
> > > > tradition of Gunther? Sound like spiritual fools
> > to
> > > > me. Of course all IMHO
> > > > -Sri Peter (Knows everything)
  
**SNIPPAGE**
> 
> Without the shakti of the guru, a mantra, while having
> some effects, will not produce them same effect as a
> mantra that has been "charged" with shakti. MMY even
> mentioned this once when asked if people who read one
> of the TM mantras from a newspaper and start to
> meditate with it would experience any benefits. He
> said they would, but it would be very slow. 
> 
**SNIP TO END**

Peter (and anyone else),

What's your take on the spectrum of possible positive/negative effects
of using for japa the big, public,
everyone-has-heard-this-innumberable-times type mantras without formal
initiation?  Mantras like the Gayatri or the Mahamrytunjaya, etc.? 
Understanding, of course, that one *could* receive initiation in their
use but that these are mantras that one might listen to already in any
number of different recordings.  Already part of the chit.

Thanks.

Marek





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