--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > > "false" guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all > > these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru? > > No, not as they are written. They are simply an > > attempt by a mind to position itself in relationship > > to a narrative it likes regarding gurus. They have an > > ideal guru in mind and compare and judge every flesh > > and blood guru to this one. It's really nonsense and > > no practical function. Just mind fluff (very sticky > > indeed!). The only way to see if a guru is of value is > > to involve yourself in their teaching for an honest > > amount of time. If it works for you, great, if it > > doesn't, move on. Buddha didn't disparage the teachers > > he studied with and found inadequate to his > > enlightenment. He just moved on. These teachers had a > > value for other people, not for him. MMY has had great > > value for many people. Many people still gain value > > from him. Many have moved on. It is what it is. To > > lock yourself into a conceptual model of a "perfect" > > guru is just silliness. Like wishing for the "perfect" > > mate or mother or father. A sign of psychological > > immaturity, isn't it? > > > > **** > This discussion is not nonsense. It can be crucially important > information to some people in their spiritual navigation. Few people > select their guru based solely on these criteria. A strong pull > towards a certain person is probably the most important criteria.
Yes. It a false premise that having some initial criteria for a teacher, like Swami Brahmananda Sarswati did, equates to or requires that "pull" is absent, or that it is not the major factor. > The understanding that the teacher may not be perfect or even honest, > while he is capable of transmitting the infinite value, maybe very > useful. Yes. It appears few gurus are perfect, probably due to the fact that they are still living the effects of imperfect karma. To enter a relationship with this in mind is healthy. Reviewing a criteria highlights potential pitfalls that might be encountered down the road. <snip> > Having this kind of understanding makes it also > easier to leave the guru, when you have learned, what you needed. Agreed. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
