--- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I just realized that this whole discussion of a
> > "false" guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all
> > these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru?
> > No, not as they are written. They are simply an
> > attempt by a mind to position itself in relationship
> > to a narrative it likes regarding gurus. They have an
> > ideal guru in mind and compare and judge every flesh
> > and blood guru to this one. It's really nonsense and
> > no practical function. Just mind fluff (very sticky
> > indeed!). The only way to see if a guru is of value is
> > to involve yourself in their teaching for an honest
> > amount of time. If it works for you, great, if it
> > doesn't, move on. Buddha didn't disparage the teachers
> > he studied with and found inadequate to his
> > enlightenment. He just moved on. These teachers had a
> > value for other people, not for him. MMY has had great
> > value for many people. Many people still gain value
> > from him. Many have moved on. It is what it is. To
> > lock yourself into a conceptual model of a "perfect"
> > guru is just silliness. Like wishing for the "perfect"
> > mate or mother or father. A sign of psychological
> > immaturity, isn't it?
> 
> The false guru criteria have nothing to do with wishing for a perfect
> guru and disparages noone in particular.  

Yes, I burst out laughing at these suppositions in the above post.


I find them to be a fairly
> common sense approach to evaluating the field of spiritual teachers.  

Perhaps not all seekers have common sense and thus the appraoch is not
appealing.
 
> I work in investments and can tell you that if someone is promising to
> double your money with no risk, or asking you to put your entire
> savings in some exotic venture with no risk disclosure document, or
> that ascended masters are actually in charge of the fund they're
> marketing, then those guys are "false investment advisors".  Believe
> it or not, lots of people don't know these things and could benefit
> from knowing these signs.

Or like a college or trade school that promises great things,
guaranteed high paying jobs after graduation, etc. It seems wise to
investigate a bit. Isn't a guru a bit like a school?

 
> our minds can't truly fathom them,
> their actions and behaviors don't really tell us anything about them,
> there are no corrupt gurus, only gurus not right for us.  

Lots of magical thinking still going on (after all these years), I guess.







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