--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If someone is having "enlightenment" experiences or is > stabilized as Self and talks about an ego, I don't > doubt their experiences, I just wonder what it is they > are referring to when they say "ego." When I say in > enlightenmernt that there is no ego what I mean is > that there is no subjective self. There is no "me". > The pronoun "me" or "I" doesn't refer to anything. The > mind looks for something and there is nothing there, > literally. In waking state the mind turns inward and > experiences a thought/feeling sense of an individual; > a private "me." This is what disappears in CC. There > is just consciousness and then everything else > (objective and subjective). You could say, "I am pure > consciousness", but the problem with this is that > there is no "I" to be or not to be anything. There is > just consciousness and objects that are not > consciousness. Thoughts and feelings are there, but > there is no "I" having these or taking ownership of > these subjective experiences. > All that is good and fine. I am just pointing out, as I have periodically over the past several years, is that some other self-proclaimed enlightened, such as M, Goodman, have argued at length that a "self" and "ego" and sense of individuality do exist in enlightenemnt.
My point is that you each appear to be i) defining elightenment differently and ii) are 'experiencing' different things, and thus to both use the same term "enlightenment" to describe your "states", makes the term meaningless, and contributes to very muddled language, discussion and "understandings". Further, I continue to point out that if you have no sense of "ego" and yet still feel "insulted" at times, then there probably a cognitive error going on. Feeling insulted is a diminishment of the sense of ego. If you feel such, ergo, within the Peter-sphere, there must be an ego. But that you may be blind to it, like an eye trying to see itself. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
