--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > You above clarified that in your view that "both" points of
> > reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same.
> 
> I don't even know if the former frame of reference
> is Tropical. 

Ok, you said before they were both tropical.

> The thing is that the two frames of
> reference are different in an entirely different way
> than the Tropical/Sidereal frames of reference are
> different.  Or to put it another way, Tropical/Sidereal
> are two different ways of measuring the same thing;
> but what you're measuring when you want to know where
> the vernal equinox occurs in 13,000 years is something
> else entirely.

OK, in your view,what is it?

If you can't clearly explain it, it might be becasue your thinking is
not clear on this topic.
 

> > You appear to think tropically that "the position of the sun from 
> year
> > to year at the time of the vernal equinox" is different from "the 
> > day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference".
> > You appear to have made a distinction in language,inyour mind,  that
> > does not correspond to a distinction in the world.
> > 
> > If, tropically, the sun is in aries in "the position of the sun from
> > year to year at the time of the vernal equinox" the sun is also in
> > aries, tropically  in "the  day-to-dproblay position of the sun in the
> > Zodiac frame of reference". 
> > 
> > Same observational RP, same calculational RP.
 
> Not...that's where your problem lies here,




HAHAHA. Well someones' problem lies in this point.

See visual example I just posted. Its clearly one frame of reference. 








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