--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" > <marwincornyarmand@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" > > <shempmcgurk@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" > > > <marwincornyarmand@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "anonyff" <anonyff@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > TM teacher I know, became a Deepak technique instructor, > told > > me > > > > that > > > > > all of the mantras they use in Deepak's technique begin with > > OM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" > > <jyouells@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" > > > > <jyouells@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], bbrigante > > > <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" > > > > <jstein@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, actually no TM TB, "official" or not, would use > > > > > > > > > > Chopra as a vehicle for their message, as I said. > > > > > > > > > > The TB line considers Chopra an apostate and a > > > > > > > > > > betrayer of Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In trying to think about why Chopra, who has been > > > dissing > > > > MMY for > > > > > > > > > years -- while getting rich on his spinoffs from TM - > - > > > > > > would > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > change of heart and try to make up (with lies, of > > > course, > > > > we are > > > > > > > > > talking about Deepack) for his past bad behavior, > I'm > > > > thinking > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > Deepack, in some corner of his dim brain, realizes > > that > > > > MMY is > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > to die, and wants to make up for his disgusting > > behavior > > > > before > > > > > > > > > Deepack also shuffles off -- in Deeppack's case, to > > that > > > > hell > > > > > > > reserved > > > > > > > > > for those who insult great saints and piggyback > their > > > > greed and > > > > > > > > > ambition on the knowledge they received from that > > > saintly > > > > > > > tradition. > > > > > > > > > Good luck with that... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awfully fundementalist interpretation, Bob. Could just > > as > > > > well be > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > Maharishi said: "Pssst, Depak, my family has me over a > > > > barrel... All > > > > > > > > the money is just too tempting for them... I'll make > it > > > all > > > > look > > > > > > > > silly, with crowns and stuff. Just go out and teach > > > > meditation. > > > > > > > We'll > > > > > > > > see how it goes, and at least some people will get > > taught. > > > > Oh, and, > > > > > > > > we'll make it look like we're fighting so that those > who > > > > still have > > > > > > > > rigid minds won't get confused, OK? Just like Guru Dev > > and > > > > his > > > > > > > guru..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, couldn't be .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chopra's new meditation technique apparently isn't all > > that > > > > much like > > > > > > > TM from what I've read, though I've heard otehrs > claimthat > > > it > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I've read: same technique, different mantras and > > > > different > > > > > > puja. > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > I have the last years read a lot about Hindu meditations and > > > Tantra. > > > > I am not an expert in Hindu Meditations and Tantra - but I > have > > > > found similar teaching methods in those as MMY teach out, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be very interested to know which meditation techniques > > those > > > are, Ingegard. > > > > > > Certainly there are many that are similar in that they use > mantras > > > and pujas, etc. But with the exception of methods such as those > > > taught by Chopra, Shri Shri, and others who were students of > MMY, > > I > > > have never come across a teaching that had the > whole "effortless, > > > simple" aspect of TM. > > > > > > Have you? > > > > > > If so, I'd love to know about them...could you tell us which > ones > > > they are? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > I can't specify. Among all the stuff I have read - I found > > explained how to go from the gross level to the subtle level in > the > > mind during Hindu Meditation. As a TM-Teacher I saw the connection > > between Hindu Meditation and TM - also in the learning process - > the > > steps - how to use the Mantra. In TM it is very structured and > > specified how to do it. But from a general point of view, as I see > > it, it is very similar. But as I said - I am not an expert in > Hindu > > Meditation. I just saw the connection. > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > Does anyone else know of a meditation technique that emphasizes > the "easiness" and "effortlessness" of the process the way TM does? > >
Ive read books where the authors claim to, then they give examples of how to "play with themantra" as though that didn't introduce some level of effort and expectation into the process. MMY has always claimed that the TM "technique" came first and distortions of it arise over time. That there are echos of TMin other traditions is kinda inherent in how he describes the distortion over time thing. A valid question: does SSRS's technique preserve the essential nature of TM? Does Chopra's? How do we know? There are plausibleissues with independent TM teachers losing their focus in teaching once they decide to go independent so how much more distortion might be introduced by people who decide that THEY know what is important and what isn't, concerning the teachingof a TM-descended technique? Of course, perhaps TM's essential nature isn't as delicate as I believe, and perhapsits all a bugaboo anyway since TM, according to some, doesn't work any better than Benson's RElaxation technique, but those are different questions. Certainly the people claiming to have distilled TM down into their own brand-Chopra meditation have implicitly indicated that they think TM's essential nature is important. CHopra, for example, refers to TM as "real meditation" in _Return of the Rishi_ as opposed to all others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but with > > > > different Mantras and and different Pujas. Some parts of MMY > > Puja > > > is > > > > very much used by other Traditions. > > > > Ingegerd MMY composed the TM puja as far as I know, taking parts from various sources. A puja a traditional way of paying homage to one's teacher though the specific collection of verses is TM-only I've been told. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
