--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" 
> <jyouells@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
> <jstein@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The part that I liked was:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > "People are being charged thousands of dollars for 
> > > mantras 
> > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > have been traditionally been given as a gift from a 
> > > teacher 
> > > > > to a 
> > > > > > > > > sincere student."
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ...which is an obvious stab at 'you know who'. And it 
> is 
> > > true.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Uh, no, it's not.  What you pay for when you learn
> > > > > > > > TM is instruction in the use of the mantra, not the
> > > > > > > > mantra itself, as you know.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What you really pay for is lifetime membership in the 
> TMO, 
> > > > > starting 
> > > > > > > with a short period where the TM teacher goes through the 
> > > motions 
> > > > > of 
> > > > > > > teaching TM that they learned, while interacting with you 
> in 
> > > the 
> > > > > way 
> > > > > > > that they learned from the TMO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Actually with recertification many have effectively lost 
> their
> > > > > > 'lifetime membership'. No centers, no *official* teachers, 
> no
> > > > > > lectures. I still maintain contact with many local 
> meditators 
> > > but I
> > > > > > don't believe that I can even *officially* check the 
> meditation 
> > > of
> > > > > > people that I have not initiated. Sounds like they need a 
> > > > > *recertified
> > > > > > lifetime membership* to me. Hell, I don't even have a 
> lifetime
> > > > > > membership, after 33+ years and many, many thousands of 
> dollars 
> > > and
> > > > > > thousand of hours of work....
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Tucson, ARizona has 2 recertified teachers living here. If 
> they 
> > > can 
> > > > > pull it off here, they can pullit off in just about any venue 
> > > where 
> > > > > they are projecting a peace pallace eventually being built.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Sure. A million here, a million there and pretty soon it adds 
> up to
> > > > real money. :-) No wonder it's so easy to decieve the willing...
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > >
> > > 
> > > What has that to do with what I said? I thought you were saying 
> that 
> > > there would be no TM teachers available in most places. There are 
> two 
> > > available in Tucson, AZ. That's a pretty out-of-the-way place, 
> > > compared to the rest of the country.
> > >
> > 
> > I was referring to "projecting a peace pallace eventually being
> > built". That means either 1.5 mill or 3 mill (can't remember). I 
> know
> > of no recerts within 100+ miles.
> > 
> > JohnY
> >
> 
> And I said exactly what I meant. If 2 TM teachers can make it in 
> Tucson, they can make it in anyplace where a peace pallace is 
> *projected* to be built. I said nothing about the building of the 
> peace pallace.
>

I don't think they've made it yet. There actually has to be either
teaching, or preferably donating and building. Otherwise the plans
will change quickly. If plans are "making it", I quess they're doing
fine. That's the point. 

JohnY





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