--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:50 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In any event, the point here is that unless one is doing > > > > > a non-dual form of quiescence/transcendence meditation, > > > > > there will--by it's very nature always be not only some > > > > > dualism or some subtle meditational "effort" involved. > > > > > > > > To continue this morning's train of thought > > > > in the context of meditation, perhaps a style > > > > of meditation that involves trying to move > > > > from "What is" to "What should be" (whether > > > > that "should be" is coming back to the mantra > > > > or achieving transcendence) is, in Buddhist > > > > terms, indulging and thus perpetuating the > > > > desire/aversion cycle and taking the actor > > > > further away from immersion in "What is." > > > > > > In Shamatha, the Buddhist style of transcendence-style meditation, > > > they achieve the automatic stage of transcendence (like Judy > > > describes in her experience) as an early stage in the overall > > scheme > > > of things and then proceed to more and more stable and vivid > > > investigations of "pure consciousness" until one simply transcends > > > the entire session --and can do so for hours at a time. In Dzogchen- > > > style Shamatha, one simply rests in the natural state. For people > > > who do not require reference points (like a mantra, the breath, > > > etc.) this can work quite well. > > > > But what does it do for you in daily life? In TM, of > > course, experiences during meditation are fundamentally > > irrelevant. > > Essentially the same thing, although as already noted the technique > can continue beyond where TM would normally go, essentially expanding > the "gap" for extended periods of time. Afflictive emotional states > tend to subside as well as negative emotions like fear--suffering > diminishes and attentional vividness increases, during waking and > sleeping/dreaming. >
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