--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > wrote: > > > [...] > > > > True, but not necessarily "sad," if you mean they're not > > > > experiencing transcendental consciousness by itself. If > > > > the process never becomes automatic, that *is* "sad," but > > > > only in the sense that the person hasn't really got the > > > > knack of TM. > > > > > > > > > > Kill that Buddha, Judy. You're addicted to absolute > effortlessness. > > > > <grin> > > I was serious Judy.
I know you were. I was appreciating the comment. > Perhaps TM is always effortless for you in the > way that you have described, but you presented it as somehow > *superior* to someone who doesn't have that experience. Depends what you mean by "superior." All I'm saying is that this is what TM *is*. I don't give myself any credit for having this experience. I just think that claiming that TM inherently involves effort is a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who buy into it. I'm using my own experience to argue against this claim because it's the only experience about which I can speak with any authority. > That's a subtle expectation, right there. Ooh, I dunno, not during meditation itself, it isn't. Effortlessness in the TM sense *can't* be an expectation, it can only be an experience (or, as you often point out about transcendence, the *absence* of experience: there's no "there" there). ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
