--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > <shempmcgurk@> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In other words, I was correct about your intent in 
> > > > this matter when you first brought all this up, and 
> > > > you lied about that intent when I called you on it,
> > > > claiming you were really interested in learning these 
> > > > techniques yourself. 
> > > 
> > > When did I do that, Barry?
> > > 
> > > Could you possibly show us?
> > 
> > You are correct. You didn't actually say directly
> > that you were interested in learning the technique 
> > yourself, but in message 90428 you stated that you 
> > *could* have changed your mind and now were inter-
> > ested. I made the mistake of thinking that you *might* 
> > actually be telling the truth; it won't happen again.  :-)
> >
> 
> You've totally lost me.
> 
> All I wanted to know is: what are the techniques that you claimed 
> you learned that were effortless, like TM.
> 
> You hemmed, you hawed. 
> 
> You misdirected.
> 
> You challenged me to find out for myself, I called your bluff,
> and, gee, nothing.
> 
> Well, almost nothing.  It turns out that you did learn some 
> sort of effortless technique...but it doesn't have a name, 
> isn't formally taught, was given to you on a walk-and-talk 
> or something, and that the person who gave it to you seemed 
> to have made it up on the spot or something.
> 
> Did I get that right?

Nope. The lady in question was a teacher with a Zen
center in central California. The tradition is taught
there, along with other techniques. There is both a
walking and a sitting version of the technique. They
may have names, but I don't know them...you can call
them Larry and Moe if you like.

I'm still waiting for you to call each of the forty
or fifty Tibetan lineages that have given talks and
teachings at KSK to ask all of them whether they
teach some effortless form of meditation. If you're 
going to be Inspector Clouseau, you might as well do 
a good job of it. 

Besides, making all those phone calls seems to be 
good for you, and seems to have convinced you that you 
actually have a life...I'm thinking of recommending
such a quest as therapy to all TMers who have 
started to have doubts about TM's uniqueness.  :-)







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