--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:23 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> >
> > In any
> > > style of meditation where you have an object of focus
> >
> > Which excludes TM, since TM doesn't involve focusing.
> 
>   In terms of process, it is the point you return to irregardless.  
> Focus here being an english trans. of the Sanskrit "dharana" or  
> "focus of attention" in the "official" movement translation of the  
> word. Since you claimed to be familiar with TM, I assumed you 
would  
> be conversant in their language. Apparently that is not the case.
> 

But, what mantra do you return to?



> >
> > --WHATEVER that
> > > object may be, the subtle mechanics will require that you 
maintain
> > > some species of global mindfulness in order to be able to 
meditate.
> > > I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how
> > > appropriate the description is in regards to manasika-japa/TM:
> > >
> > > "What is mindfulness? The non-forgetfulness of the mind with
> > > respect to a familiar object, having the function of non-
> > > distraction."
> >
> > As I understand this, it *would* apply to TM--except
> > that it's a DEscription of *what happens*, not a PRE-
> > scription for *what to do*.
> 
> Correct it does not describe the technique of manasika-japa/TM but  
> merely defines mindfulness in a broad context of practice.
>

Insomuch as TM involves awareness, then you can say its mindfulness. 
Beyond that, depends on the definition of mindfulness. As I pointed 
out, a perfectly valid TM session could involve thinking the mantra 
once and being distracted by internal/external phenomena for the next 
20 minutes.

You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation 
session, or so your "good luck with that" response suggests.






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