--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > < snip > > > Just my two centimes...I'm just trying to suggest > > that there is room for people to believe different > > things about meditation and how it works. Chances > > are that *none* of them are correct. Acting as if > > one is correct and all others are incorrect seems > > to me a great way to develop a lot of negative > > karma, not to evolve. > > Whatever. We were talking about the ole "Transcendental > Meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi." Vaj and > you both indicate that you have not only different beliefs > about what makes TM work, but different beliefs about > what TM *IS* in the first place.
And? > Which goes back to MY point that any "theory" that > attempts to explain TM must preserve the anything > goes/effortlessness nature of the technique, or > it morphs into something else. No, it doesn't. One could still be practicing TM *exactly* as taught and believe what Vaj and I believe. You are confusing theory with practice, and the dogma one believes in with the actuality of the practice one believes it *about*. I could believe what I believe and still practice TM exactly as it was taught to me; if you can't, that's your problem, not mine. > > > As I pointed > > > out, a perfectly valid TM session could involve thinking > > > the mantra once and being distracted by internal/external > > > phenomena for the next 20 minutes. > > > > > > You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation > > > session, or so your "good luck with that" response suggests. > > > > I don't think Vaj ever suggested that sitting lost in > > thought wasn't "valid." As I read what he said, he's > > suggesting that IN HIS OPINION it isn't particularly > > *effective*. I would agree. That doesn't mean that we > > didn't understand or "get" the TM dogma that surrounds > > this issue, merely that we don't buy it. > > Fair enough, but *I* buyit becuase it DOES seem to work quite > effectively for little ole ADHD me. And that's just FINE, dude. I have never said any differently. I'm not trying to SELL you my theory. It's MINE. It doesn't affect you in any way, unless you allow it to. > > There's a difference. Believing in a different theory > > doesn't mean that the other person is flawed, or that > > they didn't hear and understand the same things you > > did when you were listening to the TM teachers who > > were parroting what they were told to say. It just > > means that the other person has chosen not to take > > what they were told as some kind of cosmic truth, the > > *only* way that things could be described. Vaj is > > expressing an opinion; he's entitled to that opinion. > > And *his* opinion has no effect whatsoever on you > > or your own opinions unless you allow it to. > > Sure, whatever, but once you start assigning value > judgements to one particular experience over another, > you're no longer practicing TM. NOT NECESSARILY. Vaj, as far as I know, DOES NOT PRACTICE TM. Neither do I. What we believe about meditation and what makes a meditation session effective doesn't affect TM in the slightest. Are you trying to say that your mind is so weak that if someone *else* suggests a different way of looking at meditation and how it works, that is going to affect how *you* meditate? :-) It's THEORY, dude, and furthermore a theory pro- posed by two people who do *not* practice TM and probably never will again. We are not trying to SELL you our theory or "convert" you to believing in it. It's just FINE for you to believe what you believe today. You are reacting as if by even mentioning our theories we are putting the sanctity and purity of *your* meditation in some kind of jeapardy. Your position seems to be based on the idea that different theories of how meditation works might have "cooties" and somehow "infect" those who hear them and render them incapable of practicing their meditation the way they were originally taught to. Has anything you've ever heard here or on a.m.t. ever affected how you choose to practice TM? If not, then I rest my case. Lighten up. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
