--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Reply below:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <reavismarek@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Comment below:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <no_reply@>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"
> <reavismarek@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > > > Vak is Ma Saraswati.  Maharishi said to whisper Vak into the
> > > newborn's
> > > > > > ear three times so that the person would be reminded of where
> > > they had
> > > > > > just come from and thereby re-orient them towards the
> > Transcendent. 
> > > > > > As I remember it, he wasn't commenting about an Indian
> custom but
> > > > > > precribing a specific action at a specific juncture.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I strongly disagree that he was prescribing a technique to use.
> > > > > Were you on that course? (Mallorca spring 71) . As I recall it
> was 
> > > > > not given as a "technique" -- it was a comment on an ancient
> > practice.
> > > > >  As I said, on a later course, he definately said it was not a
> > > > > "technique". I  heard both comments live.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > A few years later, I was on a course where someone asked M about
> > > "the
> > > > > > baby technique" -- what to whisper in a new born's ear. M was
> > > > > > "furious". Going on and on about there is no baby technique
> > and what
> > > > > > he had said about a practice in ancient India was not a
> > technique to
> > > > > > use .... and how could people be so stupid .." paraphrasing
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I followed his
> > > > > > instructions 
> > > > > 
> > > > > You received specific personal instructions from him?  Did he
> or you
> > > > > do a puja? I can't remember any specific techniques he ever gave
> > when
> > > > > a puja was not done. He even had us do a puja for a breathing
> > > > > technique we gave to initial flying block students.
> > > > >
> > > > **END**
> > > > 
> > > > I was on the Mallorca/Fiuggi course.
> > 
> > 
> > I was in Fuiggi also, for rounding. I was thinking about another
> > instance of M's displearure at misinterpretation of "instructions" --
> > I think it was at that course. Perhaps it was another. 
> > 
> > We were in long rounding and someone passed up a note with a question
> > about bathing. They said a "teacher" had told them not to bath right
> > after asanas or mediating so "when can we bath, since we are doing
> > asanas or meditating all the time?" M. "hit the roof", "furious",
> > paraphrasing -- "what teacher is telling you this?!!!!! I didn't give
> > such instructions. Who is giving instructions counter to mine. You are
> > rounding all the time. Of course you will be bathing sometimes after
> > TM or asanas. Who told you not to do this???? "  
> > 
> > The "misunderstanding" came from the asnas booklet, I think, which
> > said to bath before asanas. To me, it pointed out the problem of
> > extrapolating some comment to other contexts. My sense  is this is
> > what happened with the Vak comments. People heard directly, others
> > heard 2nd or 3rd hand, and "extrapoloated" this was something to be
> > done to all newborns. From the follwo up lecture I heard,  it was
> > clear to me, M did not intend this, and did not give specific
> > directions to use this as a technique.
> > 
> > I am curious, do you remember him specifically saying "You should all
> > do this ...". Or did you extrapolate that from him citing a practice
> > -- in a general reference? 
> > 
> > If it was a "technique" to be practiced, why didn't he specifically
> > give TM teachers instructions on how to do, and create "baby"
> > initiations, to supplement the formal "childrens" technique all
> > teachers were taught. It seems odd to me he would not do the above if
> > he intended it as a formal technique.
> >
> **END**
> 
> Two things: there was no intention on my part to dispute your own
> recollections of what you heard Maharishi say.  We may both be
> accurate in our memories; Maharishi wasn't always consistent.
> 
> And two, you might be correct, and I may have taken what I heard as
> instructions that he may not necessarily have meant as such.  He
> certainly did not say that "you should all do this" or any other
> similar reference.  And I did not take what he said as a "technique"
> in the sense that you refer: as some sort of adjunct or precursor to
> TM, part of the formal teaching of meditation.  
> 
> However, I *did* take it as a specific directive and acted
> appropriately.  I never spoke about it (till now) except with my
> (then) spouse who had also similarly heard and understood what
> Maharishi said on the issue.  I never taught it.  I just followed it.
>  I'm glad that I did.
>

My spouse and I were also on Mallorca Fiuggi and heard the same lecture.  Like 
you, we 
did not think it a technique, just a simple thing to do if and when we had 
children.  We 
used it with both of our children, no puja, just whispering.  We have not told 
others to do 
this, just did it because we heard it directly from Maharishi.  Even if MMY was 
angry later 
when asked about this, I feel fine about it.  In our lecture, everyone I knew 
went away 
thinking he was talking about us using this.  He never indicated in any way not 
to do this.





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