--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <fairfieldlife@>
> wrote:
> >
> > on 3/21/06 11:31 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >
> > > We were in long rounding and someone passed up a note with a
> > > question about bathing. They said a "teacher" had told them not
> > > to bath right after asanas or mediating so "when can we bath,
> > > since we are doing asanas or meditating all the time?" M. "hit
> > > the roof", "furious", paraphrasing -- "what teacher is telling
> > > you this?!!!!! I didn't give such instructions. Who is giving
> > > instructions counter to mine. You are rounding all the time. Of
> > > course you will be bathing sometimes after TM or asanas. Who told
> > > you not to do this???? "
> >
> > He mentioned this often on early courses. He said bathing would
> > wash the ojas off the skin. What bothers me about this account is
> > that he would often get so furious over trivial things. Something
> > abnormal about that IMO.
>
> Is it possible MMY misunderstood the questioner to be
> saying that some teacher had told them they weren't
> to bathe at all during rounding?
>
> Is it possible he was furious that (per his
> misunderstanding about the question) a teacher would
> take his instruction about not bathing after program
> *ordinarily*, and extrapolate that to mean they must
> not ever bathe while they were rounding?
>
> If so, it doesn't sound so unreasonable to me that
> he'd be pissed off at such an utter lack of common
> sense.
I don't think M. misunderstood anything. The questioner was perplexed
about how they could take a bath during rounding -- given what a
teacher had told them -- whatever it was. M. outwardly displayed great
displeasure at, IMO was, a lack of common sense of the teacher
extrapolating an instruction in one context to another. I think was
making a specific point about bathing during rounding, but more
broadly, and IMO, more improtantly, was making a deeply felt (by him
and the audience) broader point: don't extrapolate what I say on
"this" to "that".
This sort of "wierd logic" by teachers was prominent IMV in that era.
Even "the best" were not immune to it -- such as John Black and the
Wieners organizing puja to Maharishi. The logic being, "puju to guru
is good, mmy is guru, we should honor him with puja". NO,NO,NO was
the response. John was "blacklisted" (pun :)) for 30 years for that.
I think this is what happened with the Vak thing. No one claims M said
to go out and do this. As I remember it, it was a story about what
ancient seer families did to their new born. People heard what they
wanted. Some perhaps thought "well if it was good for seers' kids, its
gotta be good for my kid". In the follow-up lecture Iheard, M was
emphatic that this was not the case, there was no "baby technique".
I saw this sort of extrapolation and "wierd logic" in various SIMS
centers a lot. A vocal teacher would get some (strange) idea and
proffer this as M's thinking. This would sometimes end in very icy
phone calls from M. In one, the group of teachers cheerily said "Jai
Guru Dev!" and M responded "How dare you say Jai Guru Dev -- with what
you are doing."
On the other hand, the similar instruction Feste recalled and I
recalled regarding putting the attention on the light or vastness of
God, was an instruction he specifically said to do.
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