--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> wrote:
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
> <no_reply@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An elitist superstition codified
> > > > > > > is no less of an elitist superstition.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Note that he justifies his own non-Shankaracharya-hood 
> > > > > > based on the Jyotish chart...
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think I get your point, if you had one. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Seems to me that to claim that caste is based 
> > > > > on one's Jyotish chart (it's not...it's based
> > > > > on the caste of the birth parents) is a way to
> > > > > claim that one is *eligible* for a position open
> > > > > only to Brahmans simply because one can find an
> > > > > astrologer willing to say that the person is a
> > > > > "Brahman based on his chart."
> > > > 
> > > > And yet, what if MMY *was* being considered for the position 
> > > > until his chart was made? Justifying his lack of position 
> > > > due to his chart certainly gives him an out that admitting 
> > > > that his family name was recognized as "unworthy" by the 
> > > > Jyotishi doesn't.
> > > 
> > > I honestly don't know which strikes me as more
> > > pathetic -- a man so insecure and vain as to still
> > > be hung up on events that happened over 50 years 
> > > ago, still trying to justify them in his mind, or 
> > > a follower of that insecure man who is hung up 
> > > on the same thing.
> > 
> > Heh. It just jives with what I have heard about why MMY couldn't
> > become Shankaracharya. I 
> > mean, think about it: a birth-chart consists of 3 things: time 
> > of birth, place of birth and name.
> > 
> > Most people think of the time and place as being the most
> > important for such a chart, but 
> > what if it was *name* and place that gave the jyotishi pause?
> 
> And what if it was the monkeys flying out of 
> Maharishi's butt that 'gave them pause.'  :-)
> 
> Face it, dude...this is about YOUR need to feel
> important because you like to think of yourself
> as studying with someone who was qualified to be 
> Shankaracharya. There is no evidence that Maharishi 
> was *ever* considered qualified, or was *ever* con-
> sidered for the position, and there probably never 
> will be.  You'd just like to believe that it's true.
> 
> It's OVER. He wasn't qualified then, and he isn't
> qualified now. He went on and did other things with
> his life, some of them good, some of them not so
> good. His place in history (assuming he even has 
> one) will be based on those things that he actually
> did, not on anyone's fantasies about what he could
> have done.
> 
> To his credit, he invented a simple beginner's 
> technique of meditation




Is that what you think the TM technique is, Barry?

Gosh, I've never looked at it that way, either from an experiential 
standpoint or an intellectual one.








> that was easy to learn
> and that could give people a taste of who they
> really are.  To his discredit, at a certain point
> he stopped promoting this technique, and in fact
> did almost everything in his power to make it
> unavailable except to an elite few.  Personally,
> I don't think the positivity of the former actions 
> outweighs the negativity of the latter actions,
> but that's up to the laws of karma to figure out, 
> not me.
> 
> All in all, when it comes to traversing the Bardo 
> and having to deal with your own karma, I'd much
> rather be me than be Maharishi.  I think he's going
> to have a pretty rough ride.
>






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