--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <jedi_spock@>
> wrote:
> >
> >       First, What is your definition of insanity.??
> 
> It would be complex, because insanity is a complex
> subject, but I'm pretty sure that one aspect of it
> would include defining as insane people who give 
> themselves the titles of kings and expect others to 
> honor those titles.

Who expects anyone to honor the rajah titles, even within the TMO?

 It would also include those 
> stupid enough *to* honor these self-given titles.  :-)


Who DOES honor those titles outside the ceremonies of the club that 
they belong to?

> 
> >       Second, it may not be sane, but you cannot ignore
> > the teachings completely.  That would be like throwing
> > the baby along with the bathwater.
> 
> Some babies deserve to be thrown out.  I'm with Shemp
> on this one -- the *only* teaching I think was *ever*
> of worth in the TM movement was how to do basic TM.



> I think that's a good start for almost anyone, and
> thus potentially valuable.  I think that everything
> else, including the siddhis and the diet advice and
> all the "Vedic" bullshit, is better thrown out.

The Sidhis aren't of value? Amrit kalash isn't? Ayurveda isn't 
sweeping the country in popularity?

> 
> >       Third, A little bit of Snake-Oil might be
> > necessary to grease the wheels of a big movement.
> 
> Who said a big movement was necessary?  That's the 
> question that True Believers never seem to ask them-
> selves.  Many spiritual organizations (for example,
> Vipassana) have entirely volunteer organizations that
> teach for free and end up teaching ten to twenty times
> the number of people worldwide to meditate that the
> TM organization does.

Vipassana has taught 3 million in this country?

  In my opinion, the TMO has turned
> into an entity primarily concerned with perpetuating 
> itself, not with helping others.  The goals of the
> organization are long forgotten; all that matters now
> is perpetuating the organization.

At this point in time, you may be correct. OTOH, the upcoming seminar 
on TM and its effect on education and ADHD is expected to have over 
100 people. True, the invited guests don't have to pay for their 
lunch atthe Tucson Hilton, but even so, it's a good start.

> 
> >       Fourth, Take what is good in all the masters and
> > leave out the irrelevant and the unnecessary.
> 
> IMO, there have never been any "masters" in history,
> only people who longed to be subservient and thus
> picked someone to be subservient to so that they
> could call them "master."
>

Which is why I still call my ole gung fu teacher "sifu" when I see 
him, and why I call my former Japanese teacher "Yamashita-sensei," 
even though he hasn't been my teacher in over a year, when he calls 
to say hi.







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