--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 11:31 AM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > In some posts there seems to be a jumping around between a describing > > a dualistic state, turiyatita, and the non-dual state, brahma-chetana, > > and/or equating them. And even apparent references to and confusion > > about a turiya type experience being "non-dual". The words imply some > > embedded (non)-logic along the lines of "Consciousness is awake to > > itself, Consciousness is Brahman, therefore I am in Brahman > > Consciousness." > > Very much so. > > But expect to be attacked by some egos if you mention or point this out!
Yes, that highlights the point of my prior posts about the non-accpetance of questioning. > It was even suggested that I should be happy and delighted that > people are claiming to be enlightened--and I couldn't help but think > "did the person who said that have the understanding that I would > feel that way if I felt that was the case? What did they think I > would feel if it was not the case?" > > In a real sense, if we keep any framework, which had a beginning in > time, it is just 'lust of result'--attachment to the fruit of our > practice. Addiction to the idea of enlightenment is still addiction. Yes, see adjacent post I just sent. I highlight the paradox of "seeking enlightenment" -- desires and seeking being the fuel for the myth of idividuality. > > > > > > It's interesting, I was reading some prophecies from the 8th century > > > regarding when non-dual teaching would start coming to the cities of > > > the west and they describe this very phenomenon and what will happen > > > very precisely. One of the comments is 'if it were so easy to reach > > > perfect Buddhahood, the ocean of samsara would already have been > > > drained long ago.' > > > > > > "Masters of old lashed out at those who claimed to be > > > enlightened yet refused to be tested, calling them > > > "earthworms living in the slime of self-validated > > > satori"." > > > -Philip Kapleau Roshi > > > > > > How many were tested by their teachers? would be my > > > question--but I already know the answer. > > > > And, it seems, those not tested self-proclaimed ones then go on to > > proclaim others as "Brahman" or whatever. > > Oh yes. And they'll attack you for questioning or mentioning certain > blind spots. > > > > And not particularly open to questioning about their statements, by > > "peers". That is another type of testing, albeit a lower level, with > > quesions such as -- is the experience parallel to that of others, are > > there logical inconsistencies being presented, and are claimed > > charactristics of a claimed state manifest in the claimer? > > Yes, yes, yes! > > > > > Questioners are at times cast as "snakes" or as being jealous of not > > having any experience, etc. It seems that if the experience is true, > > and the interpretation of it is strong, any and all questions would be > > welcome. Answering questions can be a catalyst deeper understanding, > > to bring light to unexplored perspectives and nuances. > > Yepper. We seem to be agreeing too much! :) Must be because we are both clearly deluded, jealous snakes!! haha. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
