--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I prefer TM, and have reached my own conclusions about it. 
> If someone sees benefit in another technique, fine, whether 
> it produces the same results, or not.
> 
> Scientific facts are great to substantiate our views, but 
> rarely do they change them, imo. Science operates primarily 
> in the realm of the intellect, whereas beliefs are held in 
> the heart.

Scientific facts are also sometimes used as "stand-ins"
for experiences that people have not had personally. For
example, if the practice in question is theoretically
supposed to produce enlightenment experiences but the
practitioner has never had enlightenment experiences 
personally, he or she can point to the research and
say, "See...enlightenment does happen as a result of
practicing technique X," and feel better about contin-
uing his or her practice of that technique. In such a
case, the research serves as intellectual fodder, but 
it also serves as an emotional "carrot."

And I guess this is fine, except that the map is not 
the territory. The scientific "measurements" of 
enlightenment are never going to be enlightenment.

The studies done on higher states of consciousness are 
always, in my opinion, going to be playing "catch up" 
to the real thing, trying to describe or measure some-
thing that can only be experienced, and that by its 
very nature can never be described or measured.








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