--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:54 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > What on earth is your *problem*?? > > > > > > I'm my own questioner. I asked my own question. > > > > > > You won't answer either Lawson's original question > > > or my version of it, and your nonresponses have been > > > irrationally testy. Why should I not assume you're > > > reluctant to answer? Both questions were simple and > > > straightforward, yet you're going to amazing lengths > > > to avoid answering them. > > > > It seems a silly question. The outcome and result would be Perfect > > Enlightenment: Buddhahood and the ability to help others attain > > the same! > > OK, third nonresponse (or is it fourth?) in a row. > > I guess we need to go back and restore the context > you snipped so you can look at the question again: > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect that what you call transcending is not the > > > > > > > > > same as what TMers call transcending. Given that > > > > > > > > > TMers don't report transcending during TM until > > > > > > > > > after-the-fact, this is hardly surprising... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It'd probably depend on what *style* of shamatha you > > > > > > > > were doing. For ex. there is a form of shamatha that > > > > > > > > traces the seed syllable back to it's source--silence- - > > > > > > > > much like TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TM *can* do this. Is this the goal of this style of > > > > > > > meditation, or is it merely a description of an idealized > > > > > > > outcome? > > > > > > > > > > > > It's just one of the styles of shamatha, that's all--the > > > > > > beginning part. > > > > > > > > > > That wasn't the question. Lawson specified that it > > > > > was one of the styles. He's asking if what you > > > > > describe is (a) the *goal* of this style, or (b) > > > > > a potential outcome. > > > > > > > > > > In other words, is "tracing the seed syllable back to > > > > > its source" a PREscription, or a DEscription? > > That's the question. That "the outcome is Buddhahood" > is not a response to this question. > > Can you answer the question, or not? >
It is, in a sense. Vaj appears to be asserting that a goal-driven technique can possibly lead to Buddhahood. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
