Atlantis many scientists say is probably South-America.  There was an island in the middle of a huge lake in the Andes.  A huge city existed in this island 3000 years ago.  One day the entire island along with the city collapsed into the lake.  This information somehow reached Plato who called it Atlantis.  He magnified the proportions a million times and turned the island into a continent.
 
    The proof of the pudding is in the technical details.  No clear information about how to manufacture a flying-machine or Vimana is mentioned in these texts.
 
     There is absolutely no archeological evidence of civilisations 15,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago.  The oldest known archeological settlement in Indian sub-continent is the Indus-Sarasvati civilisation dated back to 3000-BCE which is 5000 years ago.


Michael Dean Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:56:16 -0400
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
 
Dear Fairfield Lifers,

Here's another eye-opening essay - some wild assertions and mind-boggling possibilities about how different the past may have been than the history that we've been taught - possibilities about flying machines, space travel, nuclear weapons (and beyond)...  Food for thought.  Might help with let-ting go of the paradigm of history that we've imbibed and our whole culture is immersed in.

Enjoy


Michael

Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas
Contributed by John Burrows
Slightly edited by Michael Dean Goodman

The vedic tradition of India tell us that we are now in the fourth age [yuga] of mankind - part of a never-ending cycle of flavors of time lasting about 4.3 million years per cycle. The vedas call these four ages: "The Golden Age" [sat yuga - lasting 1.7 million years, where the average length of life is 100,000 years], "The Silver Age" [treta yuga - lasting 1.3 million years, where the average length of life is 10,000 years], "The Bronze Age" [dvapara yuga - lasting 864,000 years, where the average length of life is 1000 years], and "The Iron Age" [kali yuga - lasting 432,000 years, where the average length of life is roughly 100 years].

The Vimanas

The Ramayana, part of the Itihasas of the vedic tradition, describes a vimana as a double-deck, circular (cylindrical) aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with the speed of the wind and gave forth a melodious sound (a humming noise?). Ancient Indian texts on vimanas are so numerous it would take several books to relate what they have to say. The ancient Indians themselves wrote entire flight manuals on the control of various types of vimanas, of which there were basically four: the shakuna vimana, the sundara vimana, the rukma vimana and the tripura vimana.

* The secret of constructing aeroplanes, which will not break, which cannot be cut, will not catch fire, and cannot be destroyed.
* The secret of making planes motionless.
* The secret of making planes invisible.
* The secret of hearing conversations and other sounds in enemy planes.
* The secret of receiving photographs of the interior of enemy planes.
* The secret of ascertaining the direction of enemy planes approach.
* The secret of making persons in enemy planes lose consciousness.
* The secret of destroying enemy planes.

Sanskrit texts are filled with references to gods who fought battles in the sky using vimanas equipped with weapons as deadly as any we can deploy in these more enlightened times. For example, there is a passage in the Ramayana which reads: The puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravana; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will.... that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky.

".. and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere.

In the Mahabharata, another aspect of the Itihasas, an ancient vedic text of enormous length, we learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a vimana measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The text is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as the ones [nuclear] that we are capable of deploying.

Apart from 'blazing missiles', the text records the use of other deadly
weapons. 'Indra's Dart' operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, it produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, immediately 'consumed it with its power'.

In one particular exchange, the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, in the sky, when Salva's vimana, the Saubha, is made invisible in some way. Undeterred, Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon: "I quickly laid on an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound".

Many other terrible weapons are described, quite matter of factly, in the Mahabharata, but the most fearsome of all is the one used against the Vrishis.

The Narrative Records

"Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful vimana hurled against the three cities of the Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as brilliant as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendor. It was the unknown weapon, the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas."

It is important to note, that these kinds of records are not isolated. They can be cross-correlated with similar reports in other ancient civilizations. The after-effects of this Iron Thunderbolt have an ominously recognizable ring. Apparently, those killed by it were so burnt that their corpses were unidentifiable. The survivors fared little better, as it caused their hair and nails to fall out.

Perhaps the most disturbing and challenging information about these allegedly mythical vimanas in the ancient records is that there are some matter-of-fact records, describing how to build one. In their way, the instructions are quite precise.

In the Sanskrit Samarangana Sutradhara, it is written: "Strong and durable must the body of the Vihmana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth."

The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously: "The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from 'those from upon high'. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives."

More fantastic still is the information given in the ancient Chaldean work, The Sifrala, which contains over one hundred pages of technical details on building a flying machine. It contains words which translate as graphite rod, copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles, etc.

'Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology', from The Anti-Gravity Handbook, by D. Hatcher Childress

Many researchers into the UFO enigma tend to overlook a very important fact. While it assumed that most flying saucers are of alien, or perhaps Governmental Military origin, another possible origin of UFOs is ancient India and Atlantis. What we know about ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient Indian sources; written texts that have come down to us through the centuries. There is no doubt that most of these texts are authentic; many are the well known ancient Indian epics themselves, and there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into English yet from the old Sanskrit.

The Indian Emperor, Ashoka, started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against, having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody battle. The "Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each. Book number one was The Secrets of Gravitation! This book, known to
historians, but not actually seen by them, dealt chiefly with "gravity
control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in India, Tibet, or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One can certainly understand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such knowledge a secret, assuming it exists.

Ashoka was also aware of devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and other "futuristic weapons" that had destroyed the ancient Indian "Rama Empire" several thousand years before. Only a decade ago, the Chinese discovered some Sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet, and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships! Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti-gravitational" and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," a siddhi or power existing in
man's physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull." According to vedic yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a person to levitate.

Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called "astras" by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of "anima"; "the cap of invisibility" and "garima"; "how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead." Naturally, Indian scientists did not take the texts very seriously, but then became more positive about the value of them when the Chinese announced that they were including certain parts of the data for study in their space program! This was one of the first instances of a government admitting to be
researching anti-gravity.

The manuscripts did not say definitely that interplanetary travel was ever made but did mention, of all things, a planned trip to the Moon, though it is not clear whether this trip was actually carried out. However, one of the great Indian epics, the Ramayana, does have a highly detailed story in it of a trip to the moon in a bimana (or "astra"), and in fact details a battle on the moon with an "Asvin" (or Atlantean) airship. This is but a small bit of recent evidence of anti-gravity and aerospace technology used by Indians.

To really understand the technology, we must go much further back in time. The so-called "Rama Empire" of Northern India and Pakistan developed at least fifteen thousand years ago on the Indian subcontinent and was a nation of many large, sophisticated cities, many of which are still to be found in the deserts of Pakistan, northern, and western India. Rama existed, apparently, parallel to the Atlantean civilization in the mid-Atlantic Ocean, and was ruled by "enlightened Priest-Kings" who governed the cities.

The seven greatest capital cities of Rama were known in classical vedic texts as The Seven Rishi Cities.  According to these ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called "vimanas." The ancient Indian epic describes a vimana as a doubledeck, circular aircraft, with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer today. It flew with the "speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound." There were at least four different types of vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders ("cigar shaped airships"). The ancient Indian texts on vimanas are so numerous, it would take volumes to relate what they had to say. The ancient
Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves, wrote entire flight manuals on the control of the various types of vimanas; many of these manuals are still in existence, and some have even been translated into English.

The Samara Sutradhara is a scientific treatise dealing with every possible angle of air travel in a vimana. There are 230 stanzas dealing with the construction, take-off, cruising for thousand of miles, normal and forced landings, and even possible collisions with birds. In 1875, the Vaimanika Shastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by [Rishi] Bharadvaja the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India.

It dealt with the operation of vimanas and included information on the
steering, precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightning, and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy source which sounds like "anti-gravity." The Vaimanika (Vymanika) Shastra has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of vimanas.

This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the publisher:
Vymaanidashaastra Aeronautics, by Maharishi Bharadvaja, translated into English, published by Mr. G. R. Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979. Mr. Josyer is the director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation, located in Mysore. There seems to be no doubt that vimanas were powered by some form of "anti-gravity." Vimanas took off vertically, and were capable of hovering in the sky, like a modern helicopter or dirigible. Bharadvaja refers to no less than seventy authorities and 10 experts of air travel in antiquity.

[Michael's note: When I was on the Vedic Science Course in Delhi in the 1980s, I slipped out one day and spent the afternoon perusing the shelves of Motilal Banarsidas, a great book store that shipped all over the world and was used by many Movement students of vedic knowledge - the Mecca of vedic booksellers.  I found so many great books that I had to begin discriminating - putting some back - or I'd never be able to carry them home on the plane.  I saw this very
book by Rishi Bharadvaja that the author is describing above; it was
exceptionally unusual in that it had been translated into English!, unlike many obscure, esoteric vedic texts.  It gave explicit instructions on how to make the drive engine for the flying ships, what alloys to make the various parts out of, etc. - very technical and engineering oriented.  Foolishly, it was one of the books I rejected that day, and I came to regret it.  Over the years, when I sent friends who were traveling in India back to buy it for me, they couldn't find a trace of it!  No one seemed to know anything about it. It was like a tease, a little taste of technology from another age, that came to open my mind and then vanished into obscurity again.  So finding the source of it, in this essay, is the fulfillment of a decades-old desire.]

These sources are now lost. Vimanas were kept in a vimana griha, a kind of hanger, and were sometimes said to be propelled by a yellowish-white liquid, and sometimes by some sort of mercury compound, though writers seem confused in this matter. It is most likely that the later writers on vimanas wrote as observers and from earlier texts, and were understandably confused on the
principle of their propulsion. The "yellowish-white liquid" sounds
suspiciously like gasoline, or it could be something else entirely, and
perhaps vimanas had a number of different propulsion sources, including combustion engines and even "pulse-jet" engines.

It is interesting to note, that the Nazis developed the first practical
pulse-jet engines for their V-8 rocket "buzz bombs." Hitler and the Nazi staff were exceptionally interested in ancient India and Tibet and sent expeditions to both these places yearly, starting in the 1930s, in order to gather esoteric evidence; and perhaps it was from these people that the Nazis gained some of their scientific information?

According to the Dronaparva, part of the Mahabharata, and the Ramayana, one
vimana described was shaped like a sphere and born along at great speed on a
mighty wind generated by mercury. It moved like a UFO, going up, down,
backwards, and forwards as the pilot desired. In another Indian source, the
Samar, vimanas were "iron machines, well-knit and smooth, with a charge of
mercury that shot out of the back in the form of a roaring flame." Another
work called the Samaranganasutradhara describes how the vehicles were
constructed. It is possible that mercury did have something to do with the
propulsion, or more possibly, with the guidance system. Curiously, Soviet
scientists have discovered what they call "age-old instruments used in
navigating cosmic vehicles" in caves in Turkestan and the Gobi Desert. The
"devices" are hemispherical objects of glass or porcelain, ending in a cone
with a drop of mercury inside.

It is evident that ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all over
Asia, to Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South America. Writing
found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the "Seven Rishi
Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also been found in one
other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing that appears on Easter
Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing, is also undeciphered, and is uncannily
similar to the Mohenjodaro script.

Was Easter Island an air base for the Rama Empire's vimana route? (Fantasy: At
the Mohenjodaro Vimana-Drome, as the passenger walks down the concourse, he
hears the sweet, melodic sound of the announcer over the loudspeaker, "Rama
Airways flight number seven for Bali, Easter Island, Nazca, and Atlantis is
now ready for boarding. Passengers please proceed to gate number...")

And in Tibet, no small distance, they speak of the "fiery chariot" thus:
"Bhima flew along in his car, resplendent as the sun and loud as thunder...
The flying chariot shone like a flame in the night sky of summer... it swept
by like a comet... It was as if two suns were shining. Then the chariot rose
up and all the heaven brightened."

In the Mahavira of Bhavabhuti, a Jain text of the eighth century culled from
older texts and traditions, we read: "An aerial chariot, the pushpaka, conveys
many people to the capital of Ayodhya. The sky is full of stupendous flying
machines, dark as night, but picked out by lights with a yellowish glare." The
vedas, thought to be the oldest and most foundational of all human texts,
describe vimanas of various shapes and sizes: the "ahnihotravimana" with two
engines, the "elephant-vimana" with more engines, and other types named after
the kingfisher, ibis, and other animals.

Unfortunately, vimanas, like most scientific discoveries, were ultimately used
for war. Atlanteans used their flying machines, "vailixi," a similar type of
aircraft, to literally try and subjugate the world, it would seem, if Indian
texts are to be believed. The Atlanteans, known as "Asvins" in the Indian
writings, were apparently even more advanced technologically than the Indians,
and certainly of a more war-like temperament. Although no ancient texts on
Atlantean vailixi are known to exist, some information has come down through
esoteric, "occult" sources which describe their flying machines.

Similar, if not identical to vimanas, vailixi were generally "cigar shaped"
and had the capability of maneuvering underwater as well as in the atmosphere
or even outer space. Other vehicles, like vimanas, were saucer shaped, and
could apparently also be submerged.

According to Eklal Kueshana, author of The Ultimate Frontier, in an article he
wrote in 1966:

Vailixi were first developed in Atlantis 20,000 years ago, and the most common
ones are "saucer shaped of generally trapezoidal cross-section with three
hemispherical engine pods on the underside. They use a mechanical antigravity
device driven by engines developing approximately 80,000 horse power.

The Ramayana, Mahabharata, and other texts speak of the hideous war that took
place, some ten or twelve thousand years ago between Atlantis and Rama using
weapons of destruction that could not be imagined by readers until the second
half of the 20th Century, when nuclear weapons were developed.

The ancient Mahabharata, one of the sources on vimanas, goes on to tell the
awesome destructiveness of the war: "...(the weapon was) a single projectile
charged with all the power of the universe. An incandescent column of smoke
and flame as bright as the thousand suns rose in all its splendor. An iron
thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire
race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. The corpses were so burned as to be
unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out; pottery broke without apparent
cause, and the birds turned white... after a few hours all foodstuffs were
infected... to escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves in streams
to wash themselves and their equipment..."

It would seem that the Mahabharata is describing an atomic war! References
like this one are not isolated; but battles, using a fantastic array of
weapons and aerial vehicles, are common in all the epic Indian books. One even
describes a vimana-vailix battle on the Moon!

The above section very accurately describes what an atomic explosion would
look like and the effects of the radioactivity on the population. Jumping into
water is the only respite.

When the Rishi City of Mohenjodaro was excavated by archaeologists in the last
century, they found skeletons just lying in the streets, some of them holding
hands, as if some great doom had suddenly overtaken them. These skeletons are
among the most radioactive ever found, on a par with those found at Hiroshima
and Nagasaki. Ancient cities whose brick and stone walls have literally been
vitrified, that is: fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland,
France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the
vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast.

Furthermore, at Mohenjodaro, a well planned city laid on a grid, with a
plumbing system superior to those used in Pakistan and India today, the
streets were littered with "black lumps of glass." These globs of glass were
discovered to be clay pots that had melted under intense heat! With the
cataclysmic sinking of Atlantis and the wiping out of Rama with atomic
weapons, the world collapsed into a "stone age" of sorts, and modern history
picks up a few thousand years later.

Yet, it would seem that not all the vimanas and vailixi of Rama and Atlantis
were gone. Built to last for thousands of years, many of them would still be
in use, as evidenced by Ashoka's "Nine Unknown Men" and the Lhasa manuscript.

That secret societies or "Brotherhoods" of exceptional, "enlightened" human
beings would have preserved these inventions and the knowledge of science,
history, etc., does not seem surprising. Many well known historical personages
including Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Krishna, Zoroaster, Mahavira,
Quetzalcoatl, Akhenaton, Moses, and more recent inventors and of course many
other people who will probably remain anonymous, were probably members of such
a secret organization.

It is interesting to note that when Alexander the Great invaded India more than two thousand years ago, his historians chronicled that at one point they were attacked by "flying, fiery shields" that dove at his army and frightened the cavalry. These "flying saucers" did not use any atomic bombs or beam weapons on Alexander's army however, perhaps out of benevolence, perhaps because they had forgotten how to use them, and Alexander went on to conquer India. It has been suggested by many writers that these "Brotherhoods" keep some of their vimanas and vailixi in secret caverns in Tibet or some other place is Central Asia, and the Lop Nor Desert in western China is known to be the center of a great UFO mystery. Perhaps it is here that many of the airships are still kept, in underground bases much as the Americans, British, and Soviets have built around the world in the past few decades. Still, not
all UFO activity can be accounted for by old vimanas making trips to the Moon for some reason.

Unknown alloys have been revealed in the ancient palm leaf manuscripts. The writer and Sanskrit scholar Subramanyam Iyer has spent many years of his life deciphering old collections of palm leaves found in the villages of his native Karnataka in southern India.

One of the palm leaf manuscripts they intend to decipher is the Amsu Bodhini, which, according to an anonymous text of 1931, contains information about the planets; the different kinds of light, heat, color, and electromagnetic fields; the methods used to construct machines capable of attracting solar rays and, in turn, of analyzing and separating their energy components; the possibility of conversing with people in remote places and sending messages by cable; and the manufacture of machines to transport people to other planets!

Namaste,

Michael

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