>
> --- In [email protected], t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@>
wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], bob_brigante <no_reply@>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz
> > > > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have
> > > > people stare at him until they hallucinated:
> > > > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ).
> > >
> > > The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience.
> >
> > A hallucination can also be an experience.
> >
> > > I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-)
> >
> > Which wouldn't exclude fantazising about it, as you had read
> > enough such stuff before, eg all of the Castaneda books.
>
> Look, I get it. You folks would like nothing more
> than to believe my experiences with Rama were
> hallucinations. It makes you *happy* to believe
> this.
>
> I have no such option. I was there.
People are usually where there hallucinations are,
so this doesn't do you much good.
The thing about hallucinations is that the person
having them can't tell that they aren't real.
So for someone to say, "This wasn't a hallucination,
this was real" is kind of not to the point. That's
just what you'd expect a person who had had a
hallucination to say--unless they had some reason to
believe they had been hallucinating.
But it doesn't work the other way around. There's no
reason for a person *not* to believe they were
hallucinating if there's no objective evidence
otherwise.
The honest way to put it would be, "I don't *think* I
was hallucinating, but of course I can't be sure."
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