>
> --- In [email protected], bob_brigante <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@>
wrote:
> > > I think it was Chogyam Trungpa who said: "Those who
> > > have no spiritual reality are suckers for spiritual
> > > fantasy."
> >
> > *****************
> >
> > Right, which is why you posted that you saw Frederick Lenz
> > move the stars around in the sky (Lenz's schtick was to have
> > people stare at him until they hallucinated:
> > http://skepdic.com/rama.html ).
>
> The thing is, Bob, I really saw it. It was *my* experience.
> I didn't have to read about it in New Age Fantasy Comix. :-)
>
> Whether a video camera would have recorded what I say is
> an open question, one I have no answer for. However, since
> I *was* there and know that there was no truth in the "he
> had people stare at him until they hallucinated" claim,
> it's still an interesting experience to have had, whatever
> it might have been.
>
> When was the last time *you* saw someone levitate or
> disappear or move the stars around, Bob? Tell us all
> about your *personal* experiences with such things, eh.
> For that matter, tell us about the last time your
> meditation was about anything but sitting there lost
> in thoughts... :-)
>
If you weren't lost in thoughts, how would you know?
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