wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], anon_astute_ff <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk"
<shempmcgurk@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Google Groups tell us that your exchanges with Curtis happened
> > > between February 1997 and November 1997.
> > >
> > > THAT'S ALMOST 10 FUCKING YEARS AGO!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > Maybe the poor bastard is a different person? Maybe he's
> > > changed (assuming that he was this horrible person that
> > > you paint him out as being)?
> > >
> > > Why in heaven's name can't you give it up, Judy?
> > >
> > > Do you not see your obsessive post (below) as being a
> > > tad bit kooky?
> >
> > A "tad bit kooky"? How about "way kooky" and so typical
> > we've all grown used to it, but watch anyway, like people
> > rubbernecking at a car accident?
> >
> > More like a fine whine that grows more bitter with age.
> > I'm sure the cognitive dissonance is wearing on her,
> > defending something long dead, as this latest obsessive
> > rant from Ms. Stein shows. Can't transcend these deep
> > attachments. I feel her pain.
>
> I honestly think that's the whole point. She's in
> pain, and wants other people to feel it and share it.
>
> I am commenting with (I hope) some sense of compassion,
> because this latest escapade is so transparent that I
> think almost everyone here sees it for what it is. In
> all honesty, I think that the sense of pain Judy feels
> and hopes to share with people comes from an ever-
> shrinking self (small s). She has been imprisoned in
> it for so long that she has really come to believe
> that it is who she is. Unlike some here, she really
> hasn't ever had strong experiences that just blow
> her out of her socks and out of her self long enough
> to realize that it's an illusion. So when someone
> challenges the ideas she has about her self, the self
> reacts angrily, and out of a sense of survival. It's
> like watching a psychic fight-or-flight response,
> in this case almost always spoiling for a fight.
>
> The solution is something that, sadly, none of us
> can provide her with -- a transcendental or near-
> transcendental experience so strong that she exper-
> iences and *feels* how illusory her ideas of self
> are, how illusory her beliefs are, how manufactured
> are her truths. Without that subjective experience,
> there's really very little possibility of her self
> releasing control and allowing the human being who
> lives inside to shine forth.
>
> Compounding the problem is the fact that, unlike
> many if not most of the people here, Judy has never
> been a teacher. Those who have know all too well
> the liberating effect of having to put one's ego
> and self on the shelf, in the interest of another.
> Yeah, you'd like to stand up there in front of a
> group of people and say shit that glorifies your
> own ego and gets them to compliment you and say
> how brilliant you are. But it's just not fuckin'
> *appropriate*, man. Your position there in front
> of the class is to *help* people, to possibly
> convey enough experience and information to them
> to assist them in their own self realization. This
> is a process that wears *away* the self, as opposed
> to reinforcing its hold on us. Judy has never had
> that experience.
>
> As far as I can tell, her gratification and sense
> of satisfaction in life has always come from one
> thing and one thing only -- "winning" arguments.
> She posts links here to her Great Slams Of The
> Past, asking people to go read how she devastated
> some opponent with her brilliance years or decades
> ago. I ask you...if that's not sad, and deserving
> of compassion, what is? Is there *nothing* in her
> present that she can see and point to with a
> similar sense of pride or accomplishment?
>
> I'm sorry to perpetuate this whole mess by comment-
> ing again, but really the time felt right to do so.
> I've been avoiding her -- I do not read her posts,
> except as quoted by other posters whose posts I
> do read, and I do not reply to anything she says
> to me or about me. It's the only thing I can think
> of to do. I feel sad for her, and for whatever
> circumstances made her this unhappy, after a life-
> time of meditation, but really IT'S JUST NOT MY
> FUCKIN' PROBLEM. I wish her well at becoming a
> human being, but after all these years with no
> change whatsoever, I'm not gonna hold my breath,
> and I'm certainly not going to compound things
> by responding to her and giving her sad ego the
> fuel it needs to perpetuate the stranglehold
> it has on her.
>
Good insight- Thanks.
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