<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], new_morning_blank_slate
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who have
fallen
> > > fighting for "our freedom." Believe me nobody ever died
fighting for
> > > "our freedom."
> >
> > Horse shit. You poor dryless cynic.
>
> To hold that many of those sent to fight did not believe and
dedicate
> their lives to noble ideals is horseshit, and personifies a soul
never
> engaged in the front lines and the horror and sacrafices made.
>
> That many leaders on many sides through history have let down the
> troops they led into battle with national chauvinism and
jingoistic
> bravado is indisputable.
>
> But to demean those sent to die, often with no choice, often fought
> with noble and sincere ideals, is quite putridly sick. Don't demean
> common soldiers' courage and sacrafices with your armchair
horseshit
> meanderings of a dry soul, devoid of compassion, shakti, or any
> positive tantric virtue.
>
> > > Instead they fought to keep the rich rich and the poor
> > > poor.
>
> The fallen soldiers, on both sides, deserve honor and respect.
Their
> leaders may not, and may deserve damnation. Revolutionary War
(seems
> noble with exceptions), Civil war (seems a waste, let states
determine
> their own destinies as free people), Indian wars (genocidic,
> excessive, which we bear great shame, and bear the price of still
> today), WWI (a waste of US effort -- a power struggle of tired and
> decayed imperialist powers, which the US should have left to wear
down
> their depraved imperialistic and militeristic ways), WWII (a
result of
> "Allied" harshness of the Treaty of Versaille, but noble in a
limited
> view, the need to contain facism and neo-imperialism), Viet-Nam (a
sad
> waste).
>
> But any soldier who was called and fought have my respect. Any
soldier
> maimed, has much respect. Any soldier who died in such, has much
much
> honor and respect. On both sides. And those that resisted. Went to
> jail. COs.
>
> To demean the sincerity of the majority of common soldiers is sad,
if
> not horrific, on Memorial Day.
>
> Caste your spite, if you must, on stupid and manipulative leaders.
But
> casting love, foregiveness, and acceptance is the path to peace.
Not
> empty disrespectful rhetoric.
>
> I have spent the day honoring the 57,000+ american dead from
Vietnam.
> Its such a huge number of souls. I wish I could light a candle for
> each. Next year! May we all give them deserved compassion. As well
as
> the several million (by some accounts) of perished vietnamese.
>
> And WWII. The tragedy boggles the mind and heart. From blitzkrieg,
to
> death camps, to the fierceness of Okinowa and pending Kyusua, to
the
> horror of the Atomic bombs. How dare you defile the sacrafice of
> millions with platitudes!
>
> All honor and love to all deseased and maimed. On all sides. And
> hoping all can finally appreciate the pure and deep humanity in
all.
> And war will become a relic.
Well said.
>
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