In my haste to respond to your reproduction of the "Pulp Fiction" 
quote I didn't notice that you, too, had read that he was going to 
play the voice of God.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was definitely thinking that you would dig that quote!  Your
> inquisition quotes are very interesting.  Funny, sad, scary, and
> fucked up all at once!  Good find.  I need to look into some of 
that
> material.  It is a fascinating study.
> 
> I think it applies  very well  to the usual  movement style of
> discrediting  critics.  I was accused  of "never meditating 
correctly"
> by some  MIU officials when I spoke out against TM years ago.  
Here I
> think we are dealing with something different, something more
> personal.  Sometimes the most vitriolic people are really the most
> fragile.  It would be unkind to say more, but I suspect you already
> know everything I could say about this!
> 
> Thanks for your post and I'm glad you got a chuckle out of our man
> Jules!  Did you see that Samuel Jackson will be the voice of God 
in an
> audio Bible?
> http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/jackson%20voices%
20god_1002655
>  I can' t remember if I got this item on this group or somewhere 
else.
>  It sounds like something a couple of stoners would come up with in
> between bong hits doesn't it! "Duuuude, you know what would be 
totally
> coooool.  Make an audio Bible and have Samuel Jackson play the 
voice
> of God!  That could never happen!"
> 
> Thanks again for the great quotes.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > <curtisdeltablues@> quoted:
> > >
> > > JULES (Pulp Fiction)
> > > 
> > > There's a passage I got memorized,
> > > seems appropriate for this
> > > situation: Ezekiel 25:17. "The path
> > > of the righteous man is beset on
> > > all sides by the inequities of the
> > > selfish and the tyranny of evil
> > > men. Blessed is he who, in the
> > > name of charity and good will,
> > > shepherds the weak through the
> > > valley of darkness, for he is truly
> > > his brother's keeper and the finder
> > > of lost children. And I will
> > > strike down upon thee with great
> > > vengeance and furious anger those
> > > who attempt to poison and destroy
> > > my brothers. And you will know my
> > > name is the Lord when I lay my
> > > vengeance upon you."
> > > 
> > > Just a thought Judy...you might want to dial back a bit 
> > > on your self-regard.
> > 
> > LOL. :-)
> > 
> > Either that or have an epiphany similar to Jules'
> > and give it all up in favor of walking the earth, 
> > like Caine in Kung Fu.  :-)
> > 
> > Really, the mentality of those who consider them-
> > selves the moral mind police of the world is mind-
> > blowing sometimes. Here's an interesting quote from 
> > another of them:
> > 
> > "Indeed it is all too difficult to get the heretics 
> > to reveal themselves when they hide their errors, 
> > instead of frankly confessing them, or when reliable 
> > and adequate testimony against them is lacking. In 
> > such a case all kinds of problems confront the 
> > Inquisitor... Laymen of staunch faith find it a 
> > scandalous matter if an inquisitorial trial, once 
> > begun, is abandoned for some kind of lack of method. 
> > When they see the learned thus deceived by common 
> > and vile persons, the faith of the Faithful is to 
> > some degree weakened; for they believe that we have 
> > at our disposal luminous and certain arguments that 
> > cannot be refuted, and that they expect us to be 
> > able to vanquish [the heretics] in such a way that 
> > even a layman can clearly follow the arguments. It 
> > is therefore inexpedient in the presence of laymen 
> > to debate matters of faith with heretics who are 
> > so astute."
> > 
> > Practica Inquisitionis Heretice Pravitatis
> > Bernardo Gui, 1323.
> > trans. Peter Amann. 1967
> > 
> > He goes on in the Practica Inquisitionis to outline 
> > the method that should be used instead -- vilify
> > them such that the 'Faithful' discredit anything 
> > that the people being declared heretics have to say.
> > Bernardo Gui was clear in his instructions to the
> > young Inquisitors he was trying to train that *any*
> > method they chose to use to vilify and discredit
> > the "heretics" was not only legal, but blessed by
> > God, because they were "protecting the Faithful."
> > 
> > Distorting the truth was permissible. Distracting
> > onlookers by focusing on nitpicks was permissible.
> > Basically *anything* was permissible, because they
> > were doing "God's work."
> > 
> > Doesn't his phrase "luminous and certain arguments
> > that cannot be refuted" have a familiar ring to it? 
> > Those who consider themselves God's Mind Police feel
> > that they have such arguments at their disposal, and
> > that these arguments are supposed to be able to 
> > "vanquish" any critics or those who deviate from the 
> > dogma. When those with the mindset of an Inquisitor 
> > speak these "luminous and certain arguments" that 
> > they have been taught to parrot, they tend to *assume* 
> > that the matter is settled, and that they have 
> > "vanquished" the heretic in question. 
> > 
> > So when, against expectation, the heretics refuse to 
> > be vanquished (meaning, both for Gui and for certain
> > people on this forum, that they don't *confess* 
> > to their "sins" publicly), then there is only one 
> > alternative left to the godly -- vilify them, and 
> > attempt to get the Faithful to ignore anything they say
> > in the future before they even say it, "for their own 
> > protection." The impression is to be given to the 
> > onlookers (the Faithful) that listening to anything 
> > these heretics say is *dangerous* for them, and could 
> > put their immortal souls in peril.
> > 
> > The instructions in Gui's manual for Inquisitors go on
> > to state that the moment the Inquistors realize in a 
> > trial they have a heretic on their hands who is *not* 
> > going to confess, or who shows intelligence and convic-
> > tion in his beliefs, or who dares to "talk back" to 
> > them as if they are not the Ultimate Authority, what 
> > they should do is to stop talking directly to the 
> > heretic, and instead *start* preaching to the Faithful. 
> > 
> > The goal is to cover the fact that they have been unable
> > to get the heretic to confess, and to concentrate instead
> > on convincng the bystanders of the heretic's supposed sins.
> > 
> > Sound familiar?
> > 
> > Of course, for the Inquisitors, the next step would
> > be to rush the heretics out of the room and torture 
> > them until their minds were broken and they finally 
> > *were* willing to "confess" in public. If the heretic
> > died before confessing, the young Inquisitors were
> > instructed to tell the 'Faithful' who had seen them
> > defy the Inquisition that the heretics *had* confessed
> > and re-embraced the Church, just before dying.
> > 
> > Just be thankful that the TM fanatics don't have 
> > torture available to them as a "debating tactic," 
> > because I don't think I'm alone here in suspecting
> > that some here on this forum would not hesitate to 
> > use it.
> >
>






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