--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Come on Spraig, don't play with me.  
> 

I was beign perfectly serious. Your response is a fine example of how someone 
can 
become a TM teacher and never "get" TM, apparently.

> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues"
> <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I enjoyed the experience of flying for the ten years I did it, and TM
> > > for 15 years.  Once I shifted my view of its value, I never desired
> > > the experience again.  I think the experience's value is not as
> > > "self-evident" as some claim.  Maybe the belief system has to support
> > > it. Otherwise it just seems odd, and not an experience I would seek
> > > out these days.  As far as it benefit, that I no longer buy.  I think
> > > it is sort of a mini epileptic fit.  Not too dangerous probably, but
> > > not the greatest experience ever.   I don't see people who have kept
> > > it up as special in any way I can detect.  By now it really should
> > > have produced more of the claimed benefits in people practicing so
> > > long.  In the old days we would joke that without TM a person might be
> > > even worse!  That claim is getting hollower and hollower each decade. 
> > > 
> > > As far as transcending goes, I think that experience is also very
> > > overrated as a valuable experience.  
> > 
> > Who rates it as valueable? Certainly not MMY.
> > 
> > Relaxation seems necessary in my
> > > life in much smaller doses now that I don't do a program.  The biggest
> > > wellbeing booster for me is exercise.  That experience seems to give
> > > me all the mental clarity I was seeking with TM with the added benefit
> > > of giving me much more energy.  All that eyes closed time of the
> > > program seems to sap people's energy despite the claims.  I don't hang
> > > out with anyone who needs a nap in the afternoon. (anyone with kids
> > > excluded!) It is just something that people get used to I think. It
> > > took me a few days to get over the need for program, then I just never
> > > considered the need for more rest after sleeping, or in the afternoon.
> > >  There are too many activities that give me joy and help me grow.  I
> > > have become the busy businessman of the checking notes and wouldn't
> > > have it any other way!
> > > 
> > > I always knew that most people drop TM after practicing it.  At the DC
> > > center we got a big wake-up call when we tried to contact the 10,000
> > > people who had been initiated at the center.  I don't remember the
> > > numbers but it shocked us at the time.  How could so many people drop
> > > the practice if transcending was all that? 
> > 
> > Who told you it was?
> >
>






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