--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote: > >> > >> > >>> It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out > >>> neurologically within the brain. > >>> OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe > >>> the world in these terms. > >>> Either way, its radically different than the high concentration > >>> Buddhist meditation findings > >>> that Vaj likes to tout here. > >>> > >> > >> Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that > >> uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some > >> previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are > >> able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently. > >> > > > > Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators? > > Not that I'm aware of. Why should he? Experientially it's very easy > to see the difference. >
LOL. Ah yes, inner experience > than scientific research. That's a convenient excuse. If MMY claimed it, you'd be all over him. > > > > This is > > > >> accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance > >> between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become > >> totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and > >> simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one > >> can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about > >> 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of > >> meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage > >> from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner > >> and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity > >> consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open". > >> And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from > >> meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support. > >> > >> > > > > Where's the research? > > None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who > need that crutch. > > The direct experience is the important thing. > Of course... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
